Indefinite trigonometric integral with an Nth Root

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the indefinite integral of the function involving sine and a root of cosine, specifically \(\int \sin(16x) \sqrt[a]{\cos(16x}}\,dx\). Participants are trying to understand how to express the answer in a form that is linear in the constant "a".

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substitution methods, particularly using \(u = \cos(16x)\) and the resulting differential changes. There is uncertainty about how to achieve a linear expression in "a" and whether a logarithmic substitution might be necessary. Some participants also express confusion regarding the requirement for the answer to be linear in "a".

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the requirements set by the homework platform. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential formatting issues with the input, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the homework website does not accept the constant "+C" in the answer, which adds to the confusion regarding the expected format of the solution. There is also mention of a reading week, limiting access to the professor for clarification.

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Homework Statement



Solve: [itex]\int sin(16x) \sqrt[a]{cos(16x)}\,dx[/itex] Answer should be linear in the constant "a"

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\int sin(16x) \sqrt[a]{cos(16x)}\,dx[/itex] Set: [itex]u=cos(16x), du=-16sin(16x) du[/itex] [itex]~~\Rightarrow~~ {-1/16}\int \sqrt[a]{u}\,du = {-1/16}(\frac{1}{1+1/a}u^{1+{1/a}})+C = {-1/16}(\frac{1}{1+1/a}cos^{1+{1/a}}(16x))+C[/itex]

This is what I did initially, then i realized it wasn't linear in the constant "a".
I have a feeling i may need to substitute a log function into make "a" a linear constant.
 
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WalrusMunchies said:

Homework Statement



Solve: [itex]\int sin(16x) \sqrt[a]{cos(16x)}\,dx[/itex] Answer should be linear in the constant "a"

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\int sin(16x) \sqrt[a]{cos(16x)}\,dx[/itex] Set: [itex]u=cos(16x), du=-16sin(16x) du[/itex] [itex]~~\Rightarrow~~ {-1/16}\int \sqrt[a]{u}\,dx = {-1/16}(\frac{1}{1+1/a}u^{1+{1/a}})+C = {-1/16}(\frac{1}{1+1/a}cos^{1+{1/a}}(16x))+C[/itex]

This is what I did initially, then i realized it wasn't linear in the constant "a".
I have a feeling i may need to substitute a log function into make "a" a linear constant.

What you did is fine, except you mixed up some dx's and du's in the presentation. I have no idea what they mean by "Answer should be linear in the constant a". It's clearly not.
 
Dick said:
What you did is fine, except you mixed up some dx's and du's in the presentation. I have no idea what they mean by "Answer should be linear in the constant a". It's clearly not.

Thanks for the reply

The question initially doesn't say "Answer should be linear in the constant a", but my homework website doesn't accept "+C" in this question, and gives me that message as a response when i put in my answer.

Normally I would see my professor about this, but it is reading week.
 
WalrusMunchies said:
Thanks for the reply

The question initially doesn't say "Answer should be linear in the constant a", but my homework website doesn't accept "+C" in this question, and gives me that message as a response when i put in my answer.

Normally I would see my professor about this, but it is reading week.

Well, there should be a "+C" in the answer if it's an indefinite integral, and I think you did it correctly. Not sure what to say.
 
I can only think of two things. The site might require a more standard form after simplifying, and it's possible you inputted the answer incorrectly. How do you input your answers? Is it text based or is there a GUI for you to use?

For example, if you input cos^(1/2)(x) into WolframAlpha, it reads it as ##\sqrt{\cos{x}} \cdot x## where you might have wanted it to be intepretted as simply ##\sqrt{\cos{x}}##.

(I brought up this example because this is how you formatted your answer to the problem)
 
##\displaystyle \frac{1}{1+1/a} = \frac{a}{a+1} ##

Maybe the website would like this better.
 
SammyS said:
##\displaystyle \frac{1}{1+1/a} = \frac{a}{a+1} ##

Maybe the website would like this better.

Well, that's not "linear in a" either. Who knows what the website would like?
 

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