Indeterminate forms of Taylor series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the treatment of the Taylor series and the expression \(x^0\) when \(x\) equals the expansion point \(a\). Participants explore the implications of defining \(0^0\) as indeterminate and how this affects the differentiation of power series, particularly in the context of the function \(1/(1-x)\) and its Taylor series expansion.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how to handle the term \(0^0\) in the Taylor series when \(x = a\), suggesting it is indeterminate.
  • Others argue that \(x^0\) is a notational convention representing 1, which simplifies the expression of power series.
  • There is a contention regarding the derivative of \(x^0\) at \(x=0\), with some asserting it is not differentiable due to the indeterminate nature of \(0^0\).
  • Some participants reference various sources that treat \(x^0\) as equal to 1, raising concerns about consistency in mathematical definitions and rules.
  • One participant suggests that to define \(f(x) = x^0\) for all \(x\), one must assign a value at \(x=0\), proposing that the limit as \(x\) approaches 0 should be used.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that treating \(x^0\) as 1 avoids complications in equations, despite the potential for confusion at \(x=0\).
  • Several participants reiterate that the constant function \(f(x) = 1\) has a derivative of 0 everywhere, challenging the notion that \(0^0\) complicates this derivative's existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the treatment of \(0^0\) and its implications for differentiation. While some assert that \(x^0\) should be treated as 1, others maintain that it is indeterminate at \(x=0\). The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the mathematical conventions and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the definitions and conventions surrounding \(0^0\) and its differentiation, indicating that the treatment may depend on context and specific mathematical conventions. There is also mention of inconsistencies in various sources regarding the continuity and differentiability of \(x^0\) at \(x=0.

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Can someone please explain how the taylor series would work if x, the given value from the function, is equal to a, the value at which you expand the function?

For example, let's take 1/(1-x) as an example. The taylor series for this with a=0 is Ʃ(n from 0 to infinity) x^n. But if we let x=a=0, then the first term of this sequence is 0^0, or indeterminate.

Am i supposed to take the limit of x^0 as x approaches 0-which is one in this case, or always assume x^0 to be equal to 1, or follow some other formula?
 
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I don't know why you would represent to first term as [tex]x^0[/tex] in the first place. The Taylor's series for f(x) at x= a is given by f(x)= f(a)+ f'(a)(x- a)+ (f''(a)/2)(x-a)^2+ ..., etc. When x= a, that is f(a), of course.
 
fakecop said:
Can someone please explain how the taylor series would work if x, the given value from the function, is equal to a, the value at which you expand the function?

For example, let's take 1/(1-x) as an example. The taylor series for this with a=0 is Ʃ(n from 0 to infinity) x^n. But if we let x=a=0, then the first term of this sequence is 0^0, or indeterminate.

Am i supposed to take the limit of x^0 as x approaches 0-which is one in this case, or always assume x^0 to be equal to 1, or follow some other formula?

You're supposed to understand that using [itex]x^0[/itex] instead of [itex]1[/itex] is a notational convention, so that we can write [itex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n[/itex] instead of [itex]a_0 + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n x^n[/itex].
 
Thank you! Now I have another question. When doing term-by-term differentiation, x^0 often appears. As you've said, "x^0" is simply notation, and is equal to 1. The "x^0" in power series is not the same as the actual expression x^0, which is an exponential indeterminate form at x=0.

However, what is really confusing me is that almost all sources I've checked treats x^0 at x=0 to be 1, not indeterminate. For instance, according to the power rule, the derivative of ax^n is equal to n*ax^(n-1), the only exception being n=0. but if n=1, then the derivative of ax^1 would be 1*ax^0. This is clearly wrong as this expression is indeterminate at x=0.

This brings me to the second point-according to the power rule article on wikipedia, the derivative of x^0 is simply 0. This again treats x^0 to be equal to 1, which is wrong.

The third, perhaps most severe inconsistency, is that according to Wolfram Alpha, the function x^0 is continuous, and its derivative is 0, even at x=0! But I'm sure there is a hole at x=0. If x^0 is not even continuous, how can it have a derivative?
 
^Again in all those cases x^0 is taken to mean 1. This is different that taking some limit where we need to be careful about such things. It is very handy to write x^0 for 1 in many formula.
 
lurflurf said:
^Again in all those cases x^0 is taken to mean 1. This is different that taking some limit where we need to be careful about such things. It is very handy to write x^0 for 1 in many formula.

You are right, but surely the function f(x) = x^0 is not differentiable at x=0, right? For the derivative to exist at x=0, the right and left hand limits of 0^0 (both equal to 1) must equal to 0^0 itself, which is indeterminate. Thus I don't understand why Wolfram indicated that the derivative would be zero-it shouldn't exist at x=0.
 
fakecop said:
You are right, but surely the function f(x) = x^0 is not differentiable at x=0, right? For the derivative to exist at x=0, the right and left hand limits of 0^0 (both equal to 1) must equal to 0^0 itself, which is indeterminate. Thus I don't understand why Wolfram indicated that the derivative would be zero-it shouldn't exist at x=0.

[itex]0^0[/itex] is indeed indeterminate, so [itex]f : x \mapsto x^0[/itex] is only defined for [itex]x \neq 0[/itex]. To turn [itex]f[/itex] into a function defined on the whole line one must specify a value for [itex]f(0)[/itex], and the only sensible value is [itex]\lim_{x \to 0} x^0 = \lim_{x \to 0} 1 = 1[/itex]. We then have
[tex] f'(0) = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(h) - f(0)}{h} = <br /> \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{h^0 - 1}{h} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{1 - 1}{h} = 0.[/tex]
 
x^0 in this context means 1 not whatever you think it should mean. In any case x^0 will be one everywhere except when x=0 where we might assign any of several values or leave it undefined. Choosing x^0=1 makes the most sense and avoid writing a lot of equations with an exception "unless x=0 in which case the equation should have x^a replaced by one." We do not have a deep mathematical question here. We just have a convention for avoiding annoying exceptions.
 
fakecop said:
You are right, but surely the function f(x) = x^0 is not differentiable at x=0, right?
No, not right! You have been told repeatedly that f(x)= x^0 = 1 and that constant function has derivative 0 for all x.

For the derivative to exist at x=0, the right and left hand limits of 0^0 (both equal to 1) must equal to 0^0 itself, which is indeterminate. Thus I don't understand why Wolfram indicated that the derivative would be zero-it shouldn't exist at x=0.
Every single response (and there have been four) has told you that x^0=1. You say you understand that but then continue to talk about "0^0". There is NO "0^0" involved! It is just 1.
 

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