Indeterminate Limits: Algebraically

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit lim_{x \to 16} \frac{4 - \sqrt{x}}{x - 16}, which presents an indeterminate form. Participants explore various algebraic techniques, including the use of conjugates and factoring, to simplify the expression and resolve the limit.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the appropriateness of multiplying by the conjugate and question whether it effectively addresses the division by zero issue. There are suggestions to consider alternative methods, such as factoring, and participants reflect on the implications of their approaches.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic manipulation of the expression, and there is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the limit.

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Participants express a desire to understand their mistakes and clarify their thought processes regarding the application of algebraic techniques in limit problems. There is a recognition of potential confusion between different forms of similar problems.

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I had a test earlier today, and there were a few problems I had no clue as to how to answer. I'm a perfectionist, so I want to learn what I did wrong, and what to do differently if I ever come along a similar problem again.

One of the problems I couldn't do was to find [tex]lim_{x \to 16} \frac{4 - \sqrt{x}}{x - 16}[/tex]. I vaguely remember that I am supposed to multiply by the conjugate [tex]\frac{x+16}{x+16}[/tex], but then what?

All the others were similar to the above, in that it was trivial to get a diff of squares on the bottom, I just couldn't remember what to do after I got the diff of squares on the bottom.
 
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Are you sure that you want to multiply by [itex]\frac{x+16}{x+16}[/itex]?

Does doing so eliminate the division by 0 as [itex]x\to16[/itex]?
 
Put another way: Would you know how to solve the problem if it were
[tex]lim_{x\to2}\frac{4-x^{2}}{x-2}[/tex]
 
TylerH said:
I'm a perfectionist, so I want to learn what I did wrong, and what to do differently if I ever come along a similar problem again.
Ah, but you failed to ask the right question: "How does multiplying by the conjugate help simplify an expression?"
 
I would rather multiply both numerator and denominator by [itex]4+ \sqrt{x}[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would rather multiply both numerator and denominator by [itex]4+ \sqrt{x}[/itex].

Wouldn't factoring the denominator work better?
 
Sorry it took so long. We had Saturday school here, to make up for snow days, and I've been doing hw.

Taking HallsofIvy's suggestion:
[tex]lim_{x \to 16} \frac{4 - \sqrt{x}}{x - 16}[/tex]
[tex]lim_{x \to 16} \frac{(4 - \sqrt{x})(4 + \sqrt{x})}{(x - 16)(4 + \sqrt{x})}[/tex]
[tex]lim_{x \to 16} \frac{(x - 16)}{(x - 16)(4 + \sqrt{x})}[/tex]
[tex]lim_{x \to 16} \frac{1}{(4 + \sqrt{x})}=\frac{1}{8}[/tex]

Was it that I had the rule wrong, or that this problem isn't of the same class of problem where you would need to multiply by the conjugate of the denominator?

mpjam, how would you do it the factoring way? (x-16) factors to (sqrt(x)+4)(sqrt(x)-4), which doesn't cancel with anything AFAIK.
 
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[tex] \sqrt{x} - 4 = -(4 - \sqrt{x})[/tex]

So there is some cancellation. But more importantly, check your multiplication again. I think you dropped a minus sign.
 
Oh, duh! :redface: I'm so used to seeing diff of squares with x as the positive, that as soon as I saw them, I assumed it would be the same. But you're right, it would be 16-x, rather than x-16.
 

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