Index Notation: Understanding LHS = RHS

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The discussion revolves around the geodesic equation in general relativity, specifically focusing on the manipulation of index notation and the conditions under which terms can be combined or simplified. Participants explore the implications of summation over indices and the validity of certain algebraic steps in the context of tensor calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding the equality of the left-hand side and right-hand side of the equation involving the geodesic equation, questioning how indices can be combined when they appear different.
  • Others point out that the multiplication by ##u^a## is crucial for the derivation, as it allows for the swapping of dummy indices, which is necessary for combining terms.
  • A few participants argue that the article referenced does not maintain consistency in index notation, which complicates understanding.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of renaming indices and how it applies to the symmetry of the terms involved, suggesting that this is a valid operation under certain conditions.
  • There are differing views on whether the swapping of indices is justified, with some expressing skepticism about the validity of this step.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of certain algebraic manipulations involving index notation. There are multiple competing views regarding the necessity and correctness of multiplying by ##u^a## and the implications of renaming indices.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of index notation and the assumptions made about the symmetry of the terms involved. The discussion highlights the complexity of tensor calculus and the nuances in manipulating equations in general relativity.

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I was reading my lecturer's notes on GR where I came across the geodesic equation for four-velocity. There is a line which read:

Summing them up,
[tex]\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = \frac{1}{2} u^i u^j \partial_a g_{ij}[/tex]

I'm trying to understand how LHS = RHS, surely the indices ##a## and ##i## are different, how can you simply combine them?

I tried writing them out:

[tex]\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j[/tex]
[tex]= g_{aj} \partial_i u^i u^j + \left( u^i u^j \partial_i g_{aj} - \frac{1}{2} u^i u^j \partial_a g_{ij} \right) - \frac{1}{2} g_{ij} \partial_a u^i u^j[/tex]Source: http://physicspages.com/2013/04/02/geodesic-equation-and-four-velocity/
 
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unscientific said:
Summing them up,

[tex]\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = \frac{1}{2} u^i u^j \partial_a g_{ij}[/tex]

This equation doesn't appear anywhere in the link you gave. The closest thing I can find at that link is:

$$
\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j + g_{aj} \frac{d u^j}{d \tau} - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = 0
$$

which gives, expanding out the second term and moving it to the RHS,

$$
\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = - g_{aj} u^i \partial_i u^j
$$

So where does the equation you wrote come from?​
 
PeterDonis said:

[tex]\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = \frac{1}{2} u^i u^j \partial_a g_{ij}[/tex]

So where does the equation you wrote come from?​
Starting from the geodesic equation:

[tex]\partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j + g_{aj} \frac{d u^j}{d \tau} - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j = 0[/tex]

I'm confused by this step when 'summation' was mentioned. Without multiplying ##u^a## we get:

[tex]LHS = g_{aj} \frac{d u^j}{d \tau} + \partial_i g_{aj} u^i u^j - \frac{1}{2} \partial_a g_{ij} u^i u^j[/tex]

[tex]= g_{aj} \frac{d u^j}{d \tau} + \frac{1}{2} u^i u^j \partial_a g_{ij}[/tex]Comparing 2nd and 3rd terms, that's where I couldn't get my head around it.
 
unscientific said:
Without multiplying ##u^a##

If you don't multiply by ##u^a## then the derivation doesn't work; that multiplication is crucial because it means there are no free indexes in any of the terms, so you can swap dummy indexes at will. That is what allows the ##a## and ##i## indexes to be swapped so that you can combine terms.

That said, I'm not entirely sure the article you linked to has everything correct. It would be easier if it stuck to index notation everywhere. I don't have time now to dig into it in more detail, unfortunately.
 
PeterDonis said:
If you don't multiply by ##u^a## then the derivation doesn't work; that multiplication is crucial because it means there are no free indexes in any of the terms, so you can swap dummy indexes at will. That is what allows the ##a## and ##i## indexes to be swapped so that you can combine terms.

That said, I'm not entirely sure the article you linked to has everything correct. It would be easier if it stuck to index notation everywhere. I don't have time now to dig into it in more detail, unfortunately.

How does the multiplication of ##u^a## change anything at all? Also, what do you mean by 'it would be easier if it stuck to index notation everywhere. ' ? I thought this was all in index notation.
 
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I don't understand the problem.

[itex]u^a g_{aj,i} u^i u^j + g_{aj} u^a d_\tau u^j - \frac{1}{2} u^a g_{ij,a} u^i u^j[/itex]

The middle (2nd term) remains the same, but they rewrite the 1st and 3rd term as:

[itex]u^a g_{aj,i} u^i u^j -\frac{1}{2} u^a g_{ij,a} u^i u^j = \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^i u^j u^a[/itex]

Why is this done? because of symmetry reasons he rewrites the 1st term above by interchanging i with a [or if you like the other phrase better "by renaming them as null-indices"]...

Also you sum when you write the same indices... that's what the writter means by summing up ...in this case summing the a-index,
 
ChrisVer said:
I don't understand the problem.

[itex]u^a g_{aj,i} u^i u^j + g_{aj} u^a d_\tau u^j - \frac{1}{2} u^a g_{ij,a} u^i u^j[/itex]

The middle (2nd term) remains the same, but they rewrite the 1st and 3rd term as:

[itex]u^a g_{aj,i} u^i u^j -\frac{1}{2} u^a g_{ij,a} u^i u^j = \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^i u^j u^a[/itex]

Why is this done? because of symmetry reasons he rewrites the 1st term above by interchanging i with a [or if you like the other phrase better "by renaming them as null-indices"]...

Also you sum when you write the same indices... that's what the writter means by summing up ...in this case summing the a-index,

I'm still not convinced that you can simply swap ##i## with ##a##..
 
do you know that you can write:
[itex]u^i u^j x_{ij} = u^j u^i x_{ji}[/itex]
simply by renaming indices?
If not, let's say that i,j run from 1 to 2...

[itex]u^i u^j x_{ij} = u^1 u^1 x_{11} + u^1 u^2 x_{12} + u^2 u^1 x_{21} + u^2 u^2 x_{22}[/itex]
renaming the null indices i->j and j->i you get the same result:
[itex]u^j u^i x_{ji} =u^1 u^1 x_{11} + u^1 u^2 x_{12} + u^2 u^1 x_{21} + u^2 u^2 x_{22}[/itex]

As I said, you just have to rename null [summed up]-indices...

Otherwise you can use the symmetry, to say that since [itex]u^i u^j[/itex] is symmetric under the interchange of [itex]i \leftrightarrow j[/itex] then [itex]x_{ij}[/itex] is also symmetric [or better put, only its symmetric part contributes].

In that case you would have to symmetrize the first term in (i,a) and write:
[itex]g_{aj,i} u^i u^a u^j - \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^a u^i u^j= \frac{1}{2} ( g_{aj,i} + g_{ij,a}) u^i u^a u^j - \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^a u^i u^j= \frac{1}{2} g_{aj,i} u^a u^i u^j[/itex]

and rename the indices again [although you don't have to, because both expressions with renaming or not are equivalent*]...Of course that would be a very lame thing to do... since you could have done the renaming from the begining.

* the author could as well write as a result:
[itex]g_{aj,i} u^i u^a u^j - \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^a u^i u^j= \frac{1}{2} g_{mn,r} u^m u^n u^r[/itex]
or
[itex]g_{aj,i} u^i u^a u^j - \frac{1}{2} g_{ij,a} u^a u^i u^j= g_{mn,r} u^r u^m u^n - \frac{1}{2} g_{mn,r} u^r u^m u^n =\frac{1}{2} g_{mn,r} u^m u^n u^r[/itex]
I'm sorry, but it can't get more basic... The next thing one would have to do for illustrating what is going on, is to expand the summation ... but that would be really, really awful to read, so it's better to do that yourself on a scrap of paper.
 
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Got it, thank you!
 

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