Index of Refraction & Frequency: Clarifying the Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the index of refraction and frequency of light, exploring how these properties interact when light transitions between different media, such as air and glass. Participants examine theoretical concepts and clarify misconceptions related to light behavior in lenses.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether frequency is proportional to the index of refraction or remains constant as light travels through different media.
  • Another participant asserts that frequency remains constant across boundaries to ensure continuity of oscillating electric and magnetic fields, using an analogy of waves traveling through different strings.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the speed of light rays passing through a lens of varying thickness, specifically whether rays hitting different parts of the lens would travel at different speeds to reach the observer simultaneously.
  • A response references Huygens' principle, suggesting that all light rays take the same time to reach the focus, regardless of the path taken through different media.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of frequency in relation to the index of refraction, with some asserting it remains constant while others explore implications of varying speeds in different media. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of light at boundaries and the application of Huygens' principle, which may not be universally accepted or fully explained in the context of the conversation.

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I was wondering if someone can clarify the relationship between index of refraction and frequency.

I know that when light is entering into a high index of refraction (say air to glass) that the index is increasing, light bends towards the normal, the speed decreases, and wavelength becomes shorter. But what about frequency, is proportional to the index of refraction (as index increases so does frequency), or is it constant throughout the travel of the light?


Thank You in advance
 
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The frequency stays constant. It has to stay constant in order for the oscillating electric and magnetic fields on the two sides of the boundary to match up properly at the boundary, at all times.

You can see something similar if you tie a light string and a heavier string together, end to end, and send a wave along them. The wave speed and wavelength are different in the two strings, but the frequency is the same, because the ends of the two strings are stuck together so they have to move together at that point.
 
Thanks jtbell, that cleared things up for me. If you do not mind I have one more question. Say you are looking through a lens with the object on the opposite side, and the particles (p1 and p2) emitted from the object reaches the observer at the same time. Say p1 hits the center of the lens where the center is thicker, and p2 hits top end of lens where the thickness is thiner than the center. So would p1 be faster than p2 in order to reach the observer at the same time, or while p1 gets slower, p2 is even slower than p1 (if that physical sense)?
 
According to Huygens principle the time taken is exactly the same.
Each light ray arriving at a focus 'chooses' a path that takes exactly the same time.
So the edge ray goes a further distance through fast air and a shorter distance through slow glass, the centre ray goes a short fast distance and a longer slow distance.
But for them to come to the same focus the times must be the same.

Huygens principle is one of the really clever bits of physics - it hints at relativity and quantum theory from 200 years before Einstein.
 

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