Induced charges and electrostatic potential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of induced charges and their effects on the inducing charge, particularly in the context of electric fields and potential energy. Participants explore the implications of induced charges on the behavior of inducing charges, questioning whether induced charges can influence the energy dynamics of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the potential from an induced charge affects the inducing charge, expressing concern about the implications of gaining energy from nothing.
  • Another participant clarifies that induced charges are real and can have effects on other charges in the system.
  • A participant further elaborates that moving the inducing charge against the electric field created by the induced charge would require work, referencing the principles behind electric motors and generators.
  • It is noted that while induced charges create their own fields affecting the system, energy is not created from nothing, as external work is necessary to assemble the system against these fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that induced charges have real effects on the system, but there is ongoing debate about the implications of these effects on energy dynamics and the nature of work involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of work and energy in the presence of induced charges remain unresolved, particularly regarding the interplay between induced and inducing charges.

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There is one point I am unclear upon in terms of indued charges.

If a charge is induced by another charge, will the potential from the induced charge have an effect on the inducing charge. It seems that if it were the case you would be getting (increasing) energy from nothing, however if it weren't true it seems strange that it would have no effect on the charge as it is still an electric field.

i hope i was clear enough, if not let me know

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What sort of 'effect' were you thinking of?

Bear in mind that induced charges are every bit as real charges as the inducing charge.
 
by effect i mean, would it take work to move the inducing charge against the induced charge's electric field.
 
by effect i mean, would it take work to move the inducing charge against the induced charge's electric field.

Yes, of course that is how electric motors/generators work.
Of course you have to be careful about the sign of the work since the induced charge and inducing charge have opposite signs.
 
Yes, the induced charge creates its own fields which effect everything else in the system. However, you don't get energy from nothing, because some external work is being put into being together the system in the first place against these fields.
 

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