Induced drag confusion - More than one cause?

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The discussion centers on the concept of induced drag in aerodynamics, particularly in relation to aerofoils. Participants explore the causes of induced drag, questioning whether it arises from downwash due to wingtip vortices, the rearward component of lift, or a combination of both. The scope includes theoretical explanations and mathematical derivations related to the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of induced drag, questioning if it is solely due to downwash from wingtip vortices or also due to the rearward component of lift.
  • Another participant suggests that induced drag is a combination of both the angle of attack and the drag associated with wingtip vortices.
  • A participant acknowledges that many textbooks tend to explain induced drag in isolation, rather than as a combination of factors, which clarifies their understanding of the derivation in their reading material.
  • A later post presents a mathematical derivation for induced drag, proposing a formula based on the angle of diversion and lift, while detailing the relationships between force, impulse, and momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a singular cause of induced drag, as there are multiple competing views regarding the contributions of downwash and the rearward component of lift. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the definitive nature of induced drag.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes mathematical derivations that may depend on specific assumptions about ideal wing behavior and the definitions of terms used, which are not fully resolved within the thread.

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Hi,

I'm a bit confused by induced drag on an aerofoil and hoping somebody can clear it up for me.

I understand that as air slips around the edges of the wing due to the pressure differential between the top and the bottom surfaces, the angle of attack at the ends of the wings is effectively reduced(as the air is being deflected downward).

What I'm unclear about is, some sources seem to state that component of lift opposing motion is the induced drag(i.e. if the wing is at an angle with respect to the airflow, the wing generates a force perpendicular to it, and a component of that is lift and a component of that is drag)

Below is an image illustrating the latter:
http://selair.selkirk.bc.ca/training/aerodynamics/images/induced-definition.gif

So my question is, is induced drag due to downwash from wingtip vortices, or the rearward component of lift since the force the wings generate isn't directly upward. Or is it a combination of both of these things?
 
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Induced drag is sort of a catchall term for the sources of drag that are unavoidable on anybody producing lift, for example the drag as a result of the wing being at an angle of attack and the drag associated the wingtip vortices. In short, the answer to your question is "both of these things".
 
Thanks for that, I thought that would be the case. It just seems that most textbooks explain one or the other but not that it's the combination of both. The derivation in the text I'm reading makes a whole lot more sense now that I realize it's a combination.
 
scanwinder said:
Is induced drag due to downwash from wingtip vortices, or the rearward component of lift since the force the wings generate isn't directly upward. Or is it a combination of both of these things?
For an ideal or perfect wing, using the wing as a frame of reference, this ideal wing diverts the relative air flow by only changing direction and not speed, so that there is no change in energy of the affected air. The change in direction means the "forwards" component of the momentum of the affected air is reduced, while the downwards component is increased from zero. The decrease in the forward component of momentum corresponds to the drag component of impulse, which is force x time. Induced drag can be calculated based on the angle of diversion and lift. If I did the math correctly, and defining θ as the angle of diversion, I get induced drag = lift (1 - cos(θ)) / sin(θ).

My math (induced drag calculated so that it's a positive number):

f = force
i = impulse
m = mass
v = velocity
t = time
θ = angle of deflection

i = f Δt = m Δv
f = m Δv / Δt

lift = m Δv / Δt = m v (sin(θ) - 0) / Δt
induced drag = m (-Δv) / Δt = m v (1 - cos(θ)) / Δt
lift / sin(θ) = m v / Δt
induced drag = lift (1 - cos(θ)) / sin(θ)
 
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