Induced voltage in rectangular loop

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The problem involves a rectangular loop in a magnetic field, with one side moving to increase the area of the loop. The task is to determine the induced electromotive voltage based on magnetic flux changes over time.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of magnetic flux and the application of Faraday's law. There is a focus on the sign of the induced voltage and the definition of the area element dS. Questions arise regarding the conventions used for determining the direction of induced current and voltage.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights into the relationship between the direction of induced current and the sign of the induced voltage. There is acknowledgment of the ambiguity in defining the direction of dS and how it relates to Lenz's law. The discussion reflects a productive exploration of concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem specifically asks for the magnitude of the induced voltage, which may imply a positive value by definition. There is also mention of differing conventions for determining positive current flow in the loop.

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Homework Statement


There's a magnetic field B in +\hat{z}. A rectangular loop is lying in the xy-plane. Three sides are static, the 4th one is moving with velocity v along the direction of +\hat{y}, making the rectangular larger and larger. The length of this moving side of the rectangle is L.

Determine an expression for the magnitude of the electromotoric voltage induced in the loop using the flux through the loop.

Homework Equations


1. \Phim=\intBdS
2. ε=-\frac{∂\Phi}{∂t}
3. s = v*t (s = displacement, v = velocity, t=time)


The Attempt at a Solution


Using 1) and 3), with dS=dxdy\hat{z} I get
\Phim=\intBdS = B\int\intdxdy (with limits x:0→L and y:0→y0+v*t) = ... = BL(y0+v*t) = BLy0 + BLvt

Then using 2)
ε=-\frac{∂\Phi}{∂t} = -\frac{∂}{∂t}(BLy0 + BLvt) = -Bvl

Everything here is correct, except the sign in the end. It should, apparently, not be negative. It should be positive, i.e. just Bvl, not -Bvl. I don't understand why. In the answers, the only thing that differs from my solution is their definition of dS. They define it as dS=dxdy(-\hat{z}) instead of dS=dxdy\hat{z}. I don't understand why they define it in (-\hat{z}). Can anyone shed some light on this, please?
 
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Since the problem says "Determine an expression for the magnitude of...", it seems that the answer should be positive by definition. To say whether it is positive or negative, you need to define a convention for which direction represents positive current flow in the loop. The easiest way to determine the sign in these problems is to use Lenz's law, which says that the induced current will oppose the motion. In this problem, that means that the induced current will flow in a clockwise direction when viewed from above. Is this a positive or negative induced voltage? It depends on your convention. This is probably why the problem only asked for the magnitude of the induced voltage.
 
Yes, magnitude is by definition positive.
 
Ok guys. Thanks for your replies. This was driving me nuts. From your answer, phyzguy, I take it there's no correct way of determining the direction of dS? Whatever floats your boat?
 
Oh yes, the polarity of the voltage is definitely determinable.

The algebra is well defined, based on Maxwell's equations and Stokes' theorem, but you don't need to worry about it if you follow Lenz's law: the induced mag field will always oppose a CHANGE in the existing flux. So, in your case, flux is in the +z direction and increasing as the moving side moves in the +y direction, so the induced field will be in the -z direction to oppose the buildup of flux within the loop. So, if you draw your figure with x along the right , y up and z out of the page, the current must flow clockwise to generate a B field in the -z direction. So the right side of the moving side is + and the left is -.

Physically, you can think of it as follows: force F on a free charge will be qv x B, In your case v = v j and B = B k so F = qv j x B k = qvB i so free charge is going to be forced to the right so that end will have a pile-up of + charge. (I use bold for vectors).
 
@rude man, thanks for your explanation.

Also thanks for pointing me in the direction of Lenz's law. I should've revisited that one before even posting the question here.
 

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