Influence lines (concentrated load system)(with the problem this time)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the absolute maximum moment in a beam subjected to a system of concentrated loads, specifically focusing on the application of influence lines. Participants explore the implications of load placement and the use of superposition in analyzing the effects of multiple loads.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the location of the absolute maximum moment, questioning whether it occurs at the center of the beam.
  • Another participant clarifies that the maximum moment is unlikely to be at the center due to asymmetrical loading.
  • There is a discussion about using the principle of superposition to analyze the effects of multiple concentrated loads on the beam.
  • A participant seeks guidance on where to take the cut on the beam for analysis and questions whether the center of gravity of the load system (Gx) is relevant to locating the maximum moment.
  • Links to external resources on influence line calculations are shared, indicating a desire for additional information.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the location of the maximum moment or the best approach to find it, indicating ongoing uncertainty and differing viewpoints on the analysis methods.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding load placement and the application of superposition, which may affect the analysis of the maximum moment.

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I started by getting the equation for the reaction(which is really simple). I'm a bit confused here, they're asking for the absolute maximum moment, but they're not locating the location of where the maximum moment will occur, should I assume it's happening on the middle of the beam? And another question, how can I find the value of this maximum moment, I'm normally accustomed to a concentrated load, or a uniformally distributed load, but not a system of concentrated forces. Thank you.

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mohamadh95 said:
I'm a bit confused here, they're asking for the absolute maximum moment, but they're not locating the location of where the maximum moment will occur, should I assume it's happening on the middle of the beam?

No, the location of the maximum moment probably will not be in the center of the beam. The beam is not loaded symmetrically.

mohamadh95 said:
And another question, how can I find the value of this maximum moment, I'm normally accustomed to a concentrated load, or a uniformally distributed load, but not a system of concentrated forces.

You are forgetting one critically aspect of analyzing beams. Multiple loads can be treated using the principle of superposition, i.e., find the effect of one load at a time on the beam, and then add up the effects of a series of single loads to find the total effect of ALL the loads on the beam.

The superposition principle also works with influence lines.
 
SteamKing said:
No, the location of the maximum moment probably will not be in the center of the beam. The beam is not loaded symmetrically.
You are forgetting one critically aspect of analyzing beams. Multiple loads can be treated using the principle of superposition, i.e., find the effect of one load at a time on the beam, and then add up the effects of a series of single loads to find the total effect of ALL the loads on the beam.

The superposition principle also works with influence lines.

Could you provide some more information? Because I don't know where I should take the cut on the beam.
Ohh and something else should I find the center of gravity of the load system(Gx)? Is the location where maximum moment occur equal to Gx?
 
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The following should help you with your influence line calculation:
http://www.mm.anadolu.edu.tr/insaat/icerik/dersnotlari/ins313/influencelines.pdf
 
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SteamKing said:
The following should help you with your influence line calculation:
http://www.mm.anadolu.edu.tr/insaat/icerik/dersnotlari/ins313/influencelines.pdf
Thank you, this was helpful.
 
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