Moment diagram with triangular load

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a moment diagram for an overhanging beam subjected to a triangular load. Participants are addressing the calculation of moments, shear forces, and the determination of where the moment function crosses the x-axis. The scope includes homework-related problem-solving and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 outlines the problem statement, including the need to draw the moment diagram and write the moment function for a specific section of the beam.
  • Post 1 presents initial calculations for reactions at supports A and C, leading to a moment function that the poster is struggling to validate.
  • Post 2 suggests a step-by-step approach to first determine reactions and construct the shear force diagram before proceeding to the moment diagram.
  • Post 3 indicates progress in constructing the shear diagram but expresses difficulty in finding the x-axis intersection of the cubic moment function.
  • Post 4 confirms the correctness of the book's answer for the x-axis intersection but questions the validity of the moment function derived by the poster, suggesting it does not match the expected moments at points B and C.
  • Post 4 encourages deriving a valid equation for the moment function and hints at using numerical methods to find the x-axis crossing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a systematic approach to solving the problem, but there is disagreement regarding the correctness of the moment function derived by the poster. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different methods to derive the correct moment function.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the current understanding of the moment function, with unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the derivation process. The poster's approach to finding the x-axis crossing is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


For the overhanging beam in the figure, A) draw the moment diagram indicating all critical values including the maximum moment (Value and location), and B) write the moment function, M(x), for B-C section in terms of x coordinate as shown in the figure.

Homework Equations


F = ma
M = F*d
(1/3x) <---- (Equation for the slope of the triangular load from B-C I think)
-1/6x^2 <---- (Equation for the slope of the shear load from B-C I think)
-1/18x^3 <---- (Equation for the slope of the moment diagram from B-C I think)

The Attempt at a Solution


Mc = -Ra(10) + (20)(6) + 1/2(6)(2)(1/3(6)) - (2)(4)(2) = 0 therefore, Ra = 11.6 kips
Fy = Ra - 20 - 1/2(6)(2) - 2(4) + Rc = 0 therefore, Rc = 22.4 kips


I'm trying to figure out how to find where the middle cubic function crosses the x-axis and I'm having a really hard time. Could I get a push in the right direction please?
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Step 1: Figure out the reactions at A and C.
Step 2: Construct the shear force diagram for the beam with these reactions.
Step 3: Using the shear force diagram, construct the bending moment diagram.

You are trying to construct the moment diagram by jumping in the middle of the process without completing the basic steps (1 and 2 above) first.
 
Alrighty thanks for the reply SteamKing, I did as you described and did the shear diagram, and that helped me complete the moment diagram. Now I am having trouble finding where the cubic function crosses the x-axis. I tried using the formula -x^3/18 = 46.4 and solving for x which gives me 9.417. I need an answer of 8.795 and I have no idea at the moment on how to get that.

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chickenalfredo: The book answer, x = 8.7948, is indeed correct. So no problem there.

Your moments at points B and C are correct. Nice work. I do not know why you currently think M2(x) = -(x^3)/18 might be the correct function for the moment from point B to C. I have no idea how you derived it. Using your expression for M2(x), notice M2(4) = -(4^3)/18 = -3.556, which is obviously wrong, because it is not the moment at point B (which is 46.40). Also, using your expression, M2(10) = -(10^3)/18 = -55.56, which is obviously wrong, because it is not the moment at point C (which is -16.00).

Therefore, derive a valid equation for M2(x), the moment from point B to C. It will be more complicated than your above expression, but not too complicated. And then, solving M2(x) by trial and error, iteratively, or numerically, you can solve for x when M2(x) = 0. Try again.

Aside: If there is a clever way to factor the M2(x) expression (which I did not research, but I currently assume there is not), then you alternately could solve M2(x) analytically for x when M2(x) = 0.

By the way, please do not post wide images on a forum. Reduce each image width to 640 pixels wide before posting.
 
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