Influence of Orbitals on the mass of the electron

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electron orbitals and the mass of electrons and atoms, specifically addressing whether the mass of an electron changes based on its energy level in different orbitals, such as 2s and 3d. The scope includes conceptual understanding of mass in atomic structures and the implications of binding energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the mass of the electron changes with different energy levels in orbitals, referencing E=mc^2.
  • Another participant asserts that while the mass of the atom changes, the mass of the electron itself does not change; rather, the atom's mass is less than the sum of its constituent particles due to binding energy.
  • A third participant inquires if the mass of protons or neutrons changes to account for the mass difference when electrons are bound in an atom.
  • A fourth participant suggests that the masses of subatomic particles cannot be determined while they are bound in an atom, emphasizing that only the mass of the atom as a whole can be discussed in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass changes in bound systems, with some asserting that only the atom's mass changes while others question the implications for individual particle masses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of mass changes among subatomic particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in discussing the masses of individual particles while they are bound in an atom, indicating a dependence on definitions of mass and energy in quantum systems.

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If Energy levels differ in accordance to the orbital, say like 2s and 3d orbitals, then shouldn't the mass of the electron then change to uphold E=mc^2?
Or is there something I am missing?
 
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You are correct in that the mass changes, but it isn't the mass of the electron that changes, it's the mass of the atom as a whole. In other words, an atom of hydrogen has slightly less mass than the sum of the masses of a free proton and free electron. This mass difference is proportional to the energy emitted when the electron and proton combine, with the exact amount found by using e=mc2.
 
While that does make sense, if the mass of the atom as a whole changes and the electrons don't change mass, then do the Neutrons or Proton, or in the case of the Hydrogen example, just the proton change mass to account for this change?
 
As far as I understand it, you can't say anything about the masses of each subatomic particle while they're bound in an atom. You can only say that the atom as a whole has less mass than the sum of the masses of the free particles. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on this topic can explain it better than I can.
 

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