Infrared rays can't be used outside for communicaiton

In summary: SummaryIn summary, IR beams used in various devices are modulated in various ways, same as radio-waves are. So the detector will "know" which is the useful signal. However, the falloff in output is much faster for frequencies over the peak than under it. The location of the frequency peak is relative to the body's temperature - which is why room-temperature objects tend to emit mainly far-IR, hot objects tend to emit mainly near-IR, and plasma like the sun tends to emit mainly visible light.
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Hi there,
We can't use Infrared rays outside for data communication of our home as sun light also contain infrared rays which possible will interfere with it.That's what i read in Data communication book. My Question is , Does sun rays also contain radio wave, microwave ? if yes, then why can't radio wave present in sun rays do make interference with radio wave contains our data.
 
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Geek007 said:
We can't use Infrared rays outside for data communication of our home
We can, but it is impractical. You need a much higher intensity, or a very narrow frequency band (a laser).
Geek007 said:
Does sun rays also contain radio wave, microwave ?
Yes, but not as much as infrared. In addition, it is easier to produce and receive them with a very well-defined frequency, so you don't pick up all the radiation, but only that which matches the frequency very precisely.
 
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I doubt the "we can't" in that statement.
The fact that microwave and radio technology has some technical advantages does not mean we cannot use some alternative, if we have to.
The infrared beams used in various devices are modulated in various ways, same as radio-waves are. So the detector will "know" which is the useful signal.
The propagation of infrared through the air may be a more critical factor than the interference from the Sun.
 
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All blackbody emitters emit in all bands (in practice, since nothing is a true black body, it's concentrated into certain bands). The curve is like this:

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A couple general notes:

1) The falloff in output is much faster for frequencies over the peak than under it.

2) The location of the frequency peak is relative to the body's temperature - which is why room-temperature objects tend to emit mainly far-IR, hot objects tend to emit mainly near-IR, and plasma like the sun tends to emit mainly visible light. It's also why once objects get hot enough they seem to start glowing in the visible spectrum - technically, everything glows in the visible spectrum, but the amount of radiation emitted is so weak as to be irrelevant. It's also why they start out as red, move to orange, yellow, then ultimately white with increasing temperature - it's the combinations of their emissions integrated over their (approximate) blackbody curve. You never see, for example, "green hot", because by the time the peak is around green there's also so much contribution from yellow through red and a bit of blue that you just see white.

3) The output rises a *lot* with temperature - more specifically, relative to the temperature to the fourth power. Which is why a steel wire heated as hot as you can without melting it doesn't make a good light bulb, but doing the same with a tungsten wire does - the higher temperature makes a huge difference.

As for the usefulness of anything for communication, there's several factors.

1) How much natural interference will it encounter (aka, how much noise will be in with the signal)?
2) How much will it be attenuated (absorbed) by e.g. the atmosphere, vegetation, human structures, etc?
3) How directional are the source and receiver?

None of these ever pose fundamental, 100% barriers. But any of them can make a given means of communication impractical for a given task.
 
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nasu said:
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The propagation of infrared through the air may be a more critical factor than the interference from the Sun.

This is the actual reason why IR telecommunications through the atmosphere is impractical- atmospheric absorption is at a maximum right near 1.5 microns:

http://speclab.cr.usgs.gov/PAPERS.refl-mrs/giff/screen/fig3as.gif
 

1. Can infrared rays be used for communication outside?

No, infrared rays cannot be used for communication outside. This is because infrared rays are easily scattered and absorbed by various objects in the environment, making it difficult for the signal to reach its intended recipient.

2. Why can't infrared rays be used outside?

Infrared rays cannot be used outside due to their short range and susceptibility to interference from natural and man-made sources. This makes it difficult for the signal to travel long distances and maintain a clear connection.

3. Are there any advantages to using infrared rays for outdoor communication?

While infrared rays may not be suitable for outdoor communication, they do have advantages in certain applications such as remote controls and short-range data transfer. In these cases, the limited range and susceptibility to interference can actually be beneficial.

4. What other types of signals are better suited for outdoor communication?

Radio waves and microwaves are better suited for outdoor communication as they have longer wavelengths and can travel longer distances without being affected by obstacles or interference. These signals are commonly used for satellite, cellular, and Wi-Fi communication.

5. Is there any technology that can make infrared communication work outside?

While there are advancements in infrared technology, such as using directional antennas and increasing power output, it is still not practical to use infrared for outdoor communication. Other technologies, such as radio and microwave, are better suited for long-distance and outdoor communication.

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