Why Are Visible Light Waves So Puny?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics of visible light waves compared to other electromagnetic (EM) waves, including their propagation, modulation capabilities, and potential applications. Participants explore questions about the nature of light, its transmission, and the feasibility of using different types of EM waves for communication.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why visible light waves are comparatively "puny" and wonders about their ability to travel long distances like microwaves.
  • Another participant suggests that light waves do travel far but may not be detectable by the human eye due to their sparsity.
  • There is a discussion about the modulation of EM waves, with one participant asking if visible light can be used for broadcasting messages, similar to radio and microwaves.
  • Concerns are raised about gamma rays being unsuitable for communication due to their absorption by air and difficulty in generation and focusing.
  • One participant confirms that it is possible to beam radio waves in a straight line, but notes that they spread out more than light waves.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of "free space optical" communication using laser beams, highlighting its susceptibility to atmospheric conditions compared to microwaves.
  • The discussion includes a historical reference to the MASER, a microwave laser, as a precursor to the LASER.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the characteristics and applications of different EM waves, with no consensus reached on the superiority or practicality of one type over another. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific advantages and limitations of using visible light versus microwaves for communication.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to atmospheric conditions affecting laser communication and the size of antennas impacting beam collimation. There are also unresolved questions about the practicalities of using different EM waves for communication.

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This is purely a question I know little or nothing about light and the whole EM spectrum for that matter I was just wondering something. Why are visible light waves so puny compared to other frequencies on the EM spectrum. What I mean is that I can send a pulse to an antenna and emit let's say microwaves which travel so far they can be picked up on the moon. Now if I can do that with microwaves why can't I do it with light?

When I turn on the light bulb do light waves actually travel thousands of miles through the air only they are so sparse that they cannot be picked up by the human eye? With that question in mind here's another thing I was wondering. Since information can be encoded (modulated) into radio and microwaves can other EM waves be similarly modulated? For example could I broadcast messages over EM waves in the visible light spectrum? I've never heard about gamma rays being used for this either.

Sorry for this flurry of questions but here's one last thing I was wondering about waves. Since light waves can be beamed in a straight line as in a laser can other EM waves be beamed like a laser? Could I say beam radio waves to my next door neighbour in a straight line without the possibility of anyone intercepting those radio waves without getting right in front of the radio beam? Could this also be done with longitudinal waves like say sound?
 
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MadmanMurray said:
Why are visible light waves so puny compared to other frequencies on the EM spectrum.
I suggest you don't play with lasers

When I turn on the light bulb do light waves actually travel thousands of miles through the air only they are so sparse that they cannot be picked up by the human eye?
How far away are the stars that you can see with your bare eye?

Since information can be encoded (modulated) into radio and microwaves can other EM waves be similarly modulated? For example could I broadcast messages over EM waves in the visible light spectrum?
This message is almost certainly being sent over light = fibre optics.

I've never heard about gamma rays being used for this either.
gamma rays are strongly absorbed by air and most materials, they are also difficultto generate and focus.


Could I say beam radio waves to my next door neighbour in a straight line without the possibility of anyone intercepting those radio waves without getting right in front of the radio beam?
Yes that's what's done with microwaves, they do spread out more than light but that's just because it's not worth the cost of making a large enough dish to make a more collimated beam
 
Thanks for the concise answers. I didn't even think about fiber optic cables. What I had in mind was messages conveyed on laser beams through the air but if it can be done through fiber optic cables then I assume it can be done through the air.

I assume its hard a difficult task intercepting these direct microwave transmissions then.
 
You can do laser beams through air - it's called 'free space optical' but compared to microwaves it's a lot more susceptible to atmospheric conditions (rain fog etc) and slower and a lot less reliable than fibre

The spread out of a beam depends on the size of the lens/dish, since a lens is so much larger than the size of a visible wavelength it's easy to make a very colimated beam. A microwave antennae 1-2m diamter doesn't give a very collimate beam - it might be 10s of m wide at the next tower, you try and collimate as much as possible because it reduces the power needed (more power/m^2 at the recevier) rather than snooping.
 
Before the invention of the LASER there was the MASER - microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation. In other words, a "microwave" laser.
 

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