Initial energy of a charged particle

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The problem involves calculating the initial energy required for an alpha particle to approach a gold nucleus closely, specifically within a distance that corresponds to the nucleus's radius. The context is rooted in nuclear physics and electrostatics, focusing on the interactions between charged particles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for electric potential energy to determine the initial energy of the alpha particle. Some participants question the interpretation of the distance in the context of the problem, particularly whether it should be measured from the center of the gold nucleus or from its surface.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the distance involved in the problem. There is a focus on clarifying the assumptions regarding the definition of distance in relation to the nucleus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the radius of the gold nucleus is given, which may influence how distances are calculated in the problem. There is also mention of the complexities involved in defining the boundaries of atomic structures.

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Homework Statement


Ernest Rutherford in his lab at McGill University, Montreal, fired alpha particles of mass 6.64 * 10^-27 kg at gold foil to investigate the nature of the atom. What initial energy must an alpha particle (charge +2e) have to come within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus (charge +79e) before coming to rest? This distance is approximately the radius of the gold nucleus.

Givens:

m = 6.64 * 10^-27 kg

q_alpha = 2(1.6 * 10^-19 C)
= 3.2 * 10^-19 C

q_gold = 79(1.6 * 10^-19 C)
= 1.264 * 10^-17 C

r_gold = 4.7 * 10^-15 m

d = 4.7 * 10^-15 m

r = r_gold + d
= 9.4 * 10^-15 m

k = 9.0 * 10^9 N*m^2/C^2

Homework Equations



E = kq1q2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that the total energy of the system when the alpha particle is at rest and r distance from the centre of the gold nucleus is given by the equation E = kq1q2/r.

So, E = [(9.0*10^9)(3.2*10^-19)(1.264*10^-17)] / 9.4 * 10^-15

Which gives me E = 3.87 * 10^-12 J

However, this is exactly half of what the solution should be, and I can't seem to figure out why.

Thanks
 
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Distance from the gold nucleus means the distance from its centre.

ehild
 
Yes, but the question asks what the initial energy of the particle would have to be when it is within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus. It also states that 4.7 * 10^-15 is the radius of the gold nucleus. Therefore, the distance from the centre of the gold nucleus to the alpha particle is 2(4.7 * 10^-15 m). Am I misunderstanding the question?
 
skweeegor said:
Yes, but the question asks what the initial energy of the particle would have to be when it is within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus. It also states that 4.7 * 10^-15 is the radius of the gold nucleus. Therefore, the distance from the centre of the gold nucleus to the alpha particle is 2(4.7 * 10^-15 m). Am I misunderstanding the question?

Usually the distance from a sphere-like object means the distance from its centre, especially for something which does has not a smooth surface.
When we speak about the distance of Moon from the Earth or the distance of Earth from the Sun, it is the distance between the centres, and not that between the surfaces. How would you take the atmosphere into account? Where does the Earth or the Sun end?
The gold nucleus contains a lot of protons and neutrons with no definite shape and not in rest. You can not compare the size of the nucleus by comparing it with a metre stick. The radius can be defined by an indirect way, buy scattering experiments fro example.

ehild
 
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