Initial velocity to get from on known position to another?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the initial velocity vector \(\vec{v_0}\) required for a projectile to reach a specified final position \(\vec{r_f} = x_f\hat{x} + y_f\hat{y} + z_f\hat{z}\) from an initial position \(\vec{r_0}\). The problem simplifies under the assumption of negligible air resistance, leading to the equations of motion where the only force acting is gravity. The angle of launch \(\phi\) can be chosen, and the relationship between the launch angle and the required velocity magnitude \(|\vec{v_0}|\) is explored, particularly through the derived angle \(\theta = \arctan{\frac{h}{d}}\), where \(d\) is the horizontal distance and \(h\) is the final height.

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I have a problem where I need to figure out the initial velocity vector \vec{v_0} of a projectile, in order for it to land at the final position \vec{r_f} = x_f\hat{x} + y_f\hat{y} + z_f\hat{z}, from initial position \vec{r_0}.
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The only knowns in the problem are \vec{r_0} and \vec{r_f}. Air resistance is neglected, so the the components of the net force on the projectile are

m\ddot{x} = 0

m\ddot{y} = 0

m\ddot{z} = -mg

So really we can choose any launch angle \phi, and find the necessary |\vec{v}|, or the other way around, to land us at \vec{r_f}. I think it sounds easier to choose a \phi and then find |\vec{v}|. So, I examine the limiting cases...
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Let's say d is the the distance between the initial and final positions in the x-y plane, that is;

d = |x_f\hat{x} + y_f\hat{y}|

and that h is the desired final height, h = z_f.

Then the angle \theta measured form the x-y plane to a line connecting (x_0, y_0 ,z_0) to (x_f, y_f, z_f) is smiply

\theta = \arctan{\dfrac{h}{d}}

So, our limiting cases are:

\phi \rightarrow \theta; |\vec{v_0}| \rightarrow \infty

\phi \rightarrow \dfrac{\pi}{2}; |\vec{v_0}| \rightarrow \infty
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So I can choose any angle between \dfrac{\pi}{2} and \theta, though angles close to those values will necessitate a very large initial velocity. My question is, how do I go from here, to determining |\vec{v_0}|? If I choose a \phi, how do I find a velocity that will get me to \vec{r_f}? It would seem that I need some function of v_0 in terms of both \phi (known, after choosing), and \vec{r_f}. Am I severely over thinknig this?
 
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floyd0117 said:
how do I go from here
You don't go from there. Knowing the range of angles is not much help.
Just suppose the flight time is t and write an expression for where it will be at time t.
 
floyd0117 said:
My question is, how do I go from here, to determining |→v0||\vec{v_0}|? If I choose a ϕ\phi, how do I find a velocity that will get me to →rf\vec{r_f}?
The trajectory is a parabola. You know 2 points on it, and the slope (1st deviate) at one of them.
 

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