Inner Product Space - Pythagorean?

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In an inner product space V, the discussion revolves around proving the relationship ||v - v0||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||v0||^2, where v0 is the projection of v onto a finite dimensional subspace V0. The participants note that v0 can be expressed using an orthonormal basis and emphasize the orthogonality condition, = 0, which is crucial for the proof. They explore the expansion of ||v|| and relate it to the Pythagorean theorem in the context of inner product spaces. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly defining projections and utilizing inner product properties to derive the desired result. The discussion concludes with a consensus on the method to demonstrate the relationship effectively.
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Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Any advice is appreciated.
 
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ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Expand \|v - v_0\|^2 = \langle v - v_0, v - v_0 \rangle. You should get four terms. Why do the two terms you don't want vanish?
 
Didn't think I could...

So would it be:
##<v,v> -2<v,v_0 > + 2<v_0 , v_0> = <v, v>##
##<v,v_0 > = <v_0, v_0>##
##v = v_0##
##v - v_0 = 0##

so ##<v - v_0 , v_0> = 0##

Is that right?
 
ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Any advice is appreciated.

You say you can show <v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>? Isn't that the same thing as ||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2?
 
Dick said:
You say you can show <v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>? Isn't that the same thing as ||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2?

Yea. but as far as I am able to tell I'm supposed to be able to show that given vo = proj_Vo (v). I was working backwards from ||v - vo||^2 etc
 
ElijahRockers said:
Yea. but as far as I am able to tell I'm supposed to be able to show that given vo = proj_Vo (v). I was working backwards from ||v - vo||^2 etc

How did you define projection? Have you shown <v-vo,vo>=0? That's all you really need. Expand ||v|| = ||(v-vo)+vo||.
 
Dick said:
How did you define projection? Have you shown <v-vo,vo>=0? That's all you really need. Expand ||v|| = ||(v-vo)+vo||.
Yes, I defined that in my original post. That's what I was thinking! Thanks!

EDIT: Shown, not defined.
 

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