Inner product spaces of matrices (linear algebra)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the inner product space of 2x2 matrices within the context of linear algebra. The original poster expresses confusion regarding how to prove that the subspace spanned by two matrices satisfies the axioms of an inner product space, particularly given a specific inner product formula.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the properties of the inner product as defined for matrices, questioning how to verify the axioms of inner products. There is discussion about treating matrices as vectors in a higher-dimensional space to simplify the verification process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights on how to approach the verification of the inner product axioms. Some suggest focusing on the formal properties of the inner product rather than the matrix context, while others clarify misconceptions about the nature of inner products and matrix operations.

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There is a noted lack of resources in the original poster's textbook regarding inner products of matrices, which contributes to their confusion. Participants also highlight that 2x2 matrices can be viewed as vectors in a 4-dimensional space, which may aid in understanding the inner product properties.

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I understand the concepts of the inner product in Rn as well as the vector space of C[a,b] as the integral operator, however i don't understand how to obtain or prove the inner product space of two 2x2 matrices?
Example: consider two matrices u,v which are row 1 [a b] row 2 [c d]

and row 1[e f],row 2[g h]


where u is the 1st matrix and v is the second
for example if the inner product of <u,v>= ae+2bf+3cg+4hd
How do i satisfy the 4 axioms that prove the subspace spanned by these two matrices is infact an inner product?

Thanks.
P.S. i use lay's linear algebra book and there is NOTHING on matrices of inner products, only integral operators, R^n but not matrices and we weren't taught in class how...?
 
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Since you are explicitly given the formula for the inner product, you can just work out the axioms.
You know that 2 x 2 matrices can be added, so calculate <u, v + w> where u and v are as given an w is [[m n] [p q]] and show that it is equal to <u, v> + <u, w>, using what you know about matrices.
Calculate <u, u> and show that it is non-negative, and zero iff a = b = c = d = 0.
And so on.

In this type of calculations, I think it is best to put aside your intuition about parallel vectors and Euclidean spaces, and simply view the inner product as just a formal manipulation of which you need to check that it has certain properties.
 
Luongo said:
How do i satisfy the 4 axioms that prove the subspace spanned by these two matrices is infact an inner product?

I don't see what that would accomplish: an inner product isn't a subspace.

P.S. i use lay's linear algebra book and there is NOTHING on matrices of inner products, only integral operators, R^n but not matrices and we weren't taught in class how...?

Since the 2x2 matrices are just a 4-dimensional vector space over R, then the book has taught you about inner products on them.
 
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what does it mean when <u,v>=ae+2bf+3cg+4dh, how do you show the first 2 axioms,

The first two axioms of what? Axioms are not canonically ordered; I will not know exactly what is in your notes/book.

i don't understand the formula for the inner product it is not a matrix multiplication, it is just multiplying positions of the two matrices together, that is not how you multiply matrices.

Forget they're matrices. It has nothing to do with u and v being matrices other than that they live in a vector space.


For proving the first axiom, i just multiplied respective positions from each matrix ie: i got ea+fb+gc+hd. where do i get the scalar multiples of "2" "3" and "4" as given in the formula <u,v>=ae+2bf+3gc+4dh?

You just have to verify that something given to you satisfies the definition of an inner product. There is nothing deep about the formula you were given.

Forget matrices. Just think of u and v as vectors in R^4 by writing the 2 columns as a single column vector:

u=(a,b,c,d)^t

with the t for transpose, as it's easier to type row matrices. Show that

u.v=ae+2bf+3gc+4dh

is an inner product. It clearly is as it is just u^tAv where A is diag(1,2,3,4).
 

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