Integral calculation (Most Difficult Integral)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integral of the function [(lnx)/(cosx)]dx, exploring the challenges of finding a solution, particularly in the context of elementary functions and power series. The conversation includes perspectives on the formulation of the problem, the applicability of power series, and the limitations of computational tools like Mathematica.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses doubt that the integral can be expressed in closed form using elementary functions, suggesting that most such integrals do not have simple antiderivatives.
  • Another participant mentions that while the integral may not have a closed form, a power series expansion could be possible, particularly around x = 1, despite the complexity of the coefficients.
  • Concerns are raised about the proper formulation of the integral, emphasizing the need to specify the domain for which the integral is defined.
  • One participant notes that they encountered issues with Mathematica when attempting to compute the integral, indicating a lack of results from the software.
  • A high school student expresses frustration, stating that they have not yet learned about power series and are seeking a solution suitable for their grade level.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no solution appropriate for high school students, reinforcing the complexity of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the solvability of the integral in a form suitable for high school students, with some asserting that it cannot be solved in elementary terms while others suggest alternative approaches like power series. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of finding a solution that meets the needs of the student.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the formulation of the integral, the assumptions about the domain of x, and the challenges faced when using computational tools. There is also a noted gap in knowledge regarding power series among some participants.

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Can anybody give me a solution for the integral of [(lnx)/(cosx)]dx??
I would be very gratefully even they do go in a way
 
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I very much doubt that the expression ln(x) / cos(x) is the antiderivative of any function that can be expressed in closed form in terms of elementary functions.

Of course, any well-defined differentiable function does have an indefinite integral, but in some sense *most* cases this antiderivative cannot be expressed in any simple closed form (meaning with a finite number of elementary functions as terms).

On the other hand, if the pieces of the original function can be expressed as power series that converge in the same region — as is the case for ln(x) and cos(x) — then there is a power series expression for the antiderivative, at least where there is no zero in the denominator. In the present case, ln(x) is not defined at x = 0, but we can find a power series expansion for the antiderivative of ln(x) / cos(x) about the point x = 1.

It is likely to be have complicated coefficients, but a computer algebra system like Mathematica can in principle calculate any number of terms of the series.
 
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I putted this in Mathematica program and it didnt gave results, when i put it the program stopped, anyway.This is a indefinite integral and sure that can be found by power series but do anybody know any algebra "trick" that can go to a way.
Thanks
 
First, asking ## \int \frac{\ln x}{\cos x} {}dx = ? ## is not a properly formulated mathematical problem. You need to specify for which values of x the function under the integral sign makes sense in the reals, or in the complex plane. Only then you can ask yourself, for what values of x, does it make sense to consider a series expansion...
 
FL0R1 said:
I putted this in Mathematica program and it didnt gave results, when i put it the program stopped, anyway.This is a indefinite integral and sure that can be found by power series but do anybody know any algebra "trick" that can go to a way.
Thanks
Do you understand that "almost all" integrals of elementary functions cannot be written in terms of elementary functions?
 
dextercioby said:
First, asking ## \int \frac{\ln x}{\cos x} {}dx = ? ## is not a properly formulated mathematical problem. You need to specify for which values of x the function under the integral sign makes sense in the reals, or in the complex plane. Only then you can ask yourself, for what values of x, does it make sense to consider a series expansion...
its an undefinite integral..
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you understand that "almost all" integrals of elementary functions cannot be written in terms of elementary functions?
Im in high school and we didnt still learned power series, i just wanted a solution for my grade.Sure that i know power series but if i solve it with PS how can classmates understand.
 
There is no solution for high school.
 

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