Integral Calculation: Solving for S with A as Symmetric Matrix

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The discussion revolves around calculating an integral involving a symmetric matrix A, specifically in the context of multivariable calculus and Gaussian integrals. The integral in question is expressed in terms of an exponential function of a quadratic form, with participants exploring the implications of the matrix's properties on the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of the integral and question the sign in the exponential function. There are suggestions to consider the Cholesky decomposition to simplify the integral into a product of standard Gaussian integrals. Others raise concerns about the validity of the results depending on the properties of the matrix A, particularly in relation to odd and even dimensions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the use of matrix diagonalization and the implications of the matrix's symmetry. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or outcome, as differing views on the nature of the integral and its evaluation persist.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the assumptions regarding the integral's formulation and the conditions under which it exists. There is also mention of the need to clarify the nature of the variables involved, particularly in relation to Grassmann variables versus real variables.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to calculate the integral:
S= \int (d^{N}x) exp(x_{i} A_{ij} x_{j}) = (\frac{\pi^{N}}{detA})^{\frac{1}{2}}
where the integration is done over (-∞,+∞) , and A_{ij}=A_{ji} (symmetric NxN matrix)


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The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure how am I supposed to start calculating... Please don't give explicit answer, just a starting hint??
 
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ChrisVer said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to calculate the integral:
S= \int (d^{N}x) exp(x_{i} A_{ij} x_{j}) = (\frac{\pi^{N}}{detA})^{\frac{1}{2}}
where the integration is done over (-∞,+∞) , and A_{ij}=A_{ji} (symmetric NxN matrix)


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The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure how am I supposed to start calculating... Please don't give explicit answer, just a starting hint??

I assume you meant to write ##\exp(-\sum_i \sum_j A_{ij} x_i x_j)## instead of ##\exp(x_i A_{ij} x_j)##; note the sign difference, among other things. If so, look at 'Cholesky Decomposition'; see, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesky_decomposition. That reduces the quadratic form to a sum of squares and thus reduces your integral to a sequence of standard Gaussians. Also: there are symmetric matrices A that make your so-called result false, so you had better find out what the true question really is.
 
In fact the question is introductory to get into calculating:
\int d^{N}\theta d^{N}\bar{\theta} exp(-\bar{\theta}_{i}A_{ij} \theta_{j})
for \theta being grassmann variables...
My problem with that integral, is the case of finding the normal "gaussian" integral...for which I have:
exp(-a \bar{\theta} \theta)= 1-a \bar{\theta} \theta
which gives as a result after integrating:
\int d\theta d\bar{\theta} (1-a \bar{\theta} \theta))= -a
(or should I first anticommute the \thetas?)
If I use the same procedure as for the normal multidimensional gaussian integral (I'm asking about) -after diagonalizing the A etc- I will get:
\int d^{N}\theta d^{N}\bar{\theta} exp(\sum_{i}-\bar{\theta}_{i}A_{ii} \theta_{i})= ∏_{i} (-A_{ii}) ≠ detA
which I find everywhere as a result... well it depends on the dimensions, because for N=even then indeed I get the detA result...otherwise (if N is odd) I'm getting a minus overall sign...
 
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I guess that's not a Grassmann integral but a usual real integral. The trick is to realize that you can diagonalize the matrix with an SO(N) transformation. Then everything splits in a product of single Gaussians, and this product can be written in terms of the determinant. Note that there should be the sign change as indicated in posting #2. The sum symbols are not necessary, if the Einstein summation convention is used.

Of course, you should also check for which matrices the integral exists at all!
 

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