Integral Curves by Right-Translation of Lie-Algebraic Elements

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of Lie groups and Lie algebras, specifically focusing on the dynamics of a curve defined on a Lie group G, with a given equation involving a right-invariant vector field from the Lie algebra. The original poster attempts to understand the implications of extending a tangent vector from the identity to a vector field on the group and whether the equation is well-defined for all time.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of right-invariant vector fields and the extension of tangent vectors from the identity to the group. Questions arise regarding the validity of the pushforward of the right-translation operator and the relationship between the tangent space at the identity and the tangent space at points along the curve.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that defining a new curve Y(t) based on the original curve X(t) could clarify the relationship between the tangent space and the right-invariant vector field. Others express uncertainty about the implications of certain definitions and seek to justify the inclusion of HX(t) in the tangent space at X(t). The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the definitions of tangent spaces and the nature of curves in the context of Lie groups, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the extension of vectors and the properties of right-invariance.

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Homework Statement


Let G be a smooth Lie group with Lie algebra [itex]\mathfrak g[/itex]. Consider a curve [itex]X: [t_0,t_1] \to G[/itex] whose dynamics are given by
[tex]\frac{dX}{dt}(t) = H X(t)[/tex]
for some [itex]H \in \mathfrak g[/itex].

Show that this equation is well defined for all time.

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so we know that the Lie algebra can be view as either the tangent space at the group identity or the set of right(left) invariant vector fields. Let the group action of right translation be given by [itex]R_X:G\to G[/itex] by [itex]R_X(Y) = YX[/itex]. Then [itex]H \in \mathfrak g[/itex] is right-invariant means that we can write
[tex]dR_X(H) = H(X)[/tex]
where H(X) is the vector field H evaluated at the point X.

Okay, so now here is where the confusion starts to come in. Firstly, if we are given a fixed [itex]H \in T_I G[/itex] I do not see how we can naturally extend this to a right-invariant vector field.

Secondly, using the definition of the pushforward/differential, it must follow that for any function [itex]f: M \to \mathbb R[/itex] that
[tex]H(f\circ R_X) = (H X)f[/tex]

Now, is this question just trivial? In particular, do we define the extension of the tangent [itex]H \in T_I G[/itex] to a vector-field on G by [itex]H(X) = HX \in T_XG[/itex]? Secondly, does this imply that the pushforward of the right-translation operator [itex]dR_X[/itex] just acts as [itex]dR_X(H) = HX[/itex]? I guess both these first and second points are essentially the same, but an answer to either should give an answer to both.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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If you define Y(t)=X(t0)^(-1)*X(t), then isn't Y(t) a curve in the Lie group such that Y(0)=I, so Y'(0)=H is a member of the tangent space at the group identity? I don't pretend to be an expert on these things these days, but can't you just define Y(t) using the exponential map?
 
I think it seems close.

I think we have to switch the order of X(t) and X(t_0) though, so that [itex]Y(t) = X(t) X(t_0)^{-1}[/itex] since otherwise we'll have [itex]Y'(t_0) = X(t_0)^{-1} H X(t_0)[/itex] and we cannot be guaranteed that H and [itex]X(t_0)[/itex].

Anyway, I'm not worried so much about solving this. That I can do :smile:. I'm just trying to justify why [itex]HX(t) \in T_{X(t)} G[/itex] because I can't immediately see it to be true unless it follows from the definition of H being right-invariant.
 
H is in the Lie algebra, so it's in the tangent space at the identity. So it's the derivative of a curve through the identity, say H=c'(s) evaluated at s=0 where c(0)=I, or whatever you call the identity. So HX(t) is in the tangent space at X(t). It's the derivative with respect to s of c(s)X(t) which is a curve passing through X(t) at s=0. How's that?
 
Hmm...I think that might do it. Though by "H=c'(s) evaluated at s=0" do you mean that c(s) is some arbitrary curve with c'(0) = H?
 
Kreizhn said:
Hmm...I think that might do it. Though by "H=c'(s) evaluated at s=0" do you mean that c(s) is some arbitrary curve with c'(0) = H?

Sure. That's one way of defining what a tangent space is, right? You can think of it as the derivatives of curves passing through that point, evaluated at that point. Sorry about the confusing phrasing.
 
Yeah, I was just making sure that was

[tex]\left. H = c'(s) \right|_{s=0}[/tex]

rather than everywhere, since otherwise we're back in the same problem. I think it all works. Thanks.
 

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