Integral more complicated than it should be, fear I got homework question wrong

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The problem involves evaluating the definite integral of a function, specifically \(\int_{0}^{2}{\frac{x^2}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}}\), and finding its average using the mean value theorem for integrals. The original poster expresses concern about their approach due to limitations in their current understanding of integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use u-substitution and integration by parts but expresses uncertainty about their steps and the complexity of the problem. They also consider symmetry and the properties of even and odd functions. Other participants suggest alternative substitution methods, specifically trigonometric substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods for solving the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding substitution techniques, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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The original poster notes that they have not yet learned integration by parts or antiderivatives for certain functions, which may limit their ability to solve the problem as intended. There are also concerns about the formatting of mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Homework Statement


Given the definite integral
[tex]\int_{0}^{2}{x^2 \over \sqrt{x^2 + 16}}[/tex]

find the average using the mean value theorum for integrals


Homework Equations


Here's the tricky part: Although I employed it as a last resort (see later), we haven't been taught integration by parts yet. We also aren't at antiderivatives for inverse trig functions, or any transcendtal functions.

The hammer which you get to swing at this problem that's supposed to be a nail is u substitution,
[tex]\int{f(g(x))g'(x)} == \int{u du}[/tex]

We also know about symmetry, reducing even functions to half the domain and odd functions to zero when their intervals cancel out, and periodicity.


The Attempt at a Solution


I first looked at the far easier problem,
[tex]\int{x \over \sqrt{x^2 + 16}}[/tex]
which can be solved easily with
[tex]{1 \over 2} \int{2x \over \sqrt(x^2 + 16}}[/tex]
since that reduces to
[tex]{1 \over 2} \int{u^{-1 \over 2} du}[/tex]

So I thought it would be a good idea to split up that x^2 into x * x, to get
[tex]{1 \over 2} \int{x u^{-1 \over 2} du}[/tex]
But I don't know how to break it up past that point without using integration by parts.
Integration by parts also involves introducing so many complicated steps that I'm positive I made a mistake somewhere, so I'll post everything I have and please correct at will.

[tex]u = x^2 + 16, du = 2x dx[/tex]
[tex]dv = x du == x(2x) dx== 2x^2 dx, v = \int_{0}^{2}{2x^2 dx} == ({2 \over 3}) (2^3) == {16 \over 3}[/tex]
[tex]w = u^{-1 \over 2}, dw = {2x \over 2 \sqrt{x^2 + 16}} dx == {x \over \sqrt{x^2 + 16}} dx[/tex]
[tex]({1 \over 2}) ({1 \over 2}) \int_{0}^{2}{x u^{-1 \over 2} du}[/tex]
[tex]{1 \over 4} \int_{0}^{2}{w dv}[/tex]
[tex]({16 \over 3}) ({1 \over \sqrt{20}}) - {1 \over 4} \int_{0}^{2}{v dw}[/tex]
[tex]{16 \over 3 \sqrt{20}} - {1 \over 4}\int_{0}^{2}{{16 \over 3} {x \over \sqrt{x^2 + 16}}dx}[/tex]
At this point, I remembered that 2x is the derivative of u, and there's 2 twos in 16/3 with 4/3 left over, and if you multiply that 4/3 by 3/2 you get another 2x, soooo (I told you this all seemed too complicated for a homework problem)
[tex]{1 \over 4}\int_{0}^{2}{2 dw} + {1 \over 4}\int_{0}^{2}{2 dw} + ({1 \over 4})({2 \over 3})\int_{0}^{2}{2 dw}[/tex]
[tex]== {2 \over 3}\int_{0}^{2}{2 dw} == {2 \over 3}\int_{0}^{2}{u^{-1 \over 2} du}[/tex]
[tex]{16 \over \sqrt{20}} - {2 \over 3}\int_{0}^{2}{u^{-1 \over 2} du}[/tex]
[tex]{16 \over \sqrt{20}} - ({2 \over 3})({1 \over 2}) \sqrt{2^2 + 16}[/tex]

which is a math problem involving subtracting one number with an irrational numerator from one number with an irrational denominator. Which, to me, is a red flag saying I did something wrong.

So I'm looking for
A.)Corrections to any mistakes I may have made which will help me anyway, and
B.)The "right" way to do this problem, without integration by parts

One thing (I'm not great with integration by parts yet), I'm not really sure I should have pulled v through and subbed in 2 and 0 when I did, or if I should have waited and just left it as a variable.
 
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Try using [tex]x=4\tan{\theta}[/tex] :).
 
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hwmaltby said:
Try using [tex]x=4/tan{/theta}[/tex] :).

Commands in TeX start with a backslash ("\"), not a forward slash ("/").
 
And need to be inside a [ tex] or [ itex] tags, like this (but without the space after the [ character).
[ itex]x = 4 tan(\theta) [ /itex]
 
Oh, yes, I wrote it in tex tags, but it disappeared for some reason =(. I was using mobile physicsforums, so I messed up. It's edited now...
 
Thanks for the help :)

While we're on the subject of latex, I noticed neither

\\

nor

\linebreak

works. Is the only way to make a line break closing the tex tag and then hitting enter?
 
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You're welcome =).

I generally make new tex tags, but I believe there is a way using \vspace[]. However, you should probably ask someone more experienced than I =).
 

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