Integral of de absolute value of a derivative

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the expression involving the absolute value of a derivative, specifically the integral from -a to a of (1 - |x|/a) multiplied by the second derivative of (1 - |x|/a). Participants are exploring the implications of the absolute value function and its derivatives within the context of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts integration by parts but expresses confusion regarding the behavior of the derivative of the absolute value function, particularly at x = 0. Another participant suggests considering the derivative's definition in piecewise terms and raises the issue of missing the infinitesimal element in the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the challenges posed by the absolute value function and its derivatives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of discontinuities, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential issues arising from the discontinuity of the derivative of the absolute value function and the implications for the integral's evaluation. There is also mention of a possible typo in the integral notation.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to work out this integral, without success:

\int_{-a}^{a} (1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(1-\left|x\right|/a)

2. The attempt at a solution

I tried solving this by parts, but I'm stuck:

\int_{-a}^{a} (1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(1-\left|x\right|/a)
=(1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d}{dx}(1-\left|x\right|/a)|_{-a}^{a}- \int_{-a}^{a} (\frac{d}{dx}(1-\left|x\right|/a))^2Now, the first term seems to be wrong; the derivative of abs(x) is not defined, and with the second term, more of that. I tried to split the integral in two parts, for positive and negative x's, but that gives me 0. I think that result is wrong, because the function (1-\left|x\right|/a) is concave, and I'm expecting a positive second derivative.

Well, any input would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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kurushishraqi said:
Hi!

Homework Statement



I'm trying to work out this integral, without success:

\int_{-a}^{a} (1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(1-\left|x\right|/a)

2. The attempt at a solution

I tried solving this by parts, but I'm stuck:

\int_{-a}^{a} (1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(1-\left|x\right|/a)
=(1-\left|x\right|/a) \frac{d}{dx}(1-\left|x\right|/a)|_{-a}^{a}- \int_{-a}^{a} (\frac{d}{dx}(1-\left|x\right|/a))^2


Now, the first term seems to be wrong; the derivative of abs(x) is not defined, and with the second term, more of that. I tried to split the integral in two parts, for positive and negative x's, but that gives me 0. I think that result is wrong, because the function (1-\left|x\right|/a) is concave, and I'm expecting a positive second derivative.

Well, any input would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

(d/dx)[1-|x|/a] is +1/a for x < 0 and is -1/a for x > 0 (and is undefined at x = 0). If you feel confident applying integration by parts in the presence of such discontinuities, you can use the above to complete the calculation. Alternatively, you can regard |x|/a as the limit of sqrt(e+x^2/a^2) as e --> 0 from above, do the integral for finite e > 0, then take the limit in the final result.

RGV
 
Thanks a lot!
 
Where's the dx in this integral? There is no infinitesimal integrating element in your integral.
 
It's called a typo.
 

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