Integral proof and then use the proof to solve a 2nd integral

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The discussion revolves around proving an integral identity and subsequently using that proof to evaluate a second integral. The subject area includes calculus, specifically integral calculus and substitution methods.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the use of u-substitution and question the validity of their approaches. There are discussions about the correct substitutions and the structure of the integrals involved. Some participants express confusion about their progress and seek validation of their methods.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the steps needed to prove the integral identity. Some participants have provided corrections and suggestions for approaching the problem, while others express uncertainty about their understanding and the correctness of their work. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach yet.

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Participants mention the need for corrections in their substitutions and the structure of the integrals. There is an indication that the discussion is framed within the context of a homework assignment, which may impose certain constraints on the methods used.

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I'm not sure how to go about it tbh :/
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Do you have any ideas yourself?
 
PeroK said:
Do you have any ideas yourself?
Well in the the bottom half I would assume you would have to use u-subsitution but I don't believe the question is asking me to solve the bottom until I prove the top is = b/2?
 
Mustard said:
Well in the the bottom half I would assume you would have to use u-subsitution but I don't believe the question is asking me to solve the bottom until I prove the top is = b/2?
Have you tried the obvious substitution?
 
PeroK said:
Have you tried the obvious substitution?
Do you mean substituting b for x?
 
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Mustard said:
Do you mean substituting b for x?
I thought the substitution ##u = b - x## was the first thing you should consider. Especially if you are stuck.
 
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PeroK said:
I thought the substitution ##u = b - x## was the first thing you should consider. Especially if you are stuck.
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
 

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Mustard said:
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
Yes. You need to tidy that up and, strictly speaking, you are missing an equals sign.
 
Mustard said:
Oh , I'm stuck again. Am I doing it right si far ? :/ I'm sorry it's just confusing to me.
You have a few issues to correct.
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If ##u=b-x##, then ##x=b-u## not ##u-b##.

The denominator is a sum, ##f(x)+f(b-x)##, not a difference.

The integration limits for ##u## are different than for ##x##.

After making these corrections, there will be more work to do to complete your task.
 
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After you do the necessary corrections outlined in post #9 , you ll have the integral $$\int_b^0-\frac{f(b-u)}{f(b-u)+f(u)}du$$, which is the same as $$\int_0^b \frac{f(b-u)}{f(b-u)+f(u)}du$$. Now you ll have to do a little algebraic trick (adding and subtracting from the numerator the same quantity f(u) )and then by algebraic simplifications you ll get a significant result, namely that the initial integral (the integral involving x, let's call it I) is such that $$I=b-I$$. And this is pretty much the end of it, solving the last equation for I.
 
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Looks to me an exercise in My First Math Book, Chapter 1, Symbols and Functions.

Ex 15: If φ##(f,b) =## ψ##(b)## what is φ##(f, 3)##?

if you can calculate ψ(3) what can you say about φ##(f,3) ## ?
 

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