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The original poster is working on the integral \(\int \frac{\sqrt{1-x}}{\sqrt{x}-1} dx\) and has attempted a substitution involving trigonometric functions. The discussion revolves around various substitution methods and simplifications to evaluate the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss different substitution techniques, including trigonometric substitutions and algebraic manipulations. There are questions about the correctness of the original substitution and suggestions for alternative approaches.

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Some participants have provided hints and alternative methods for approaching the integral. There is an acknowledgment of multiple strategies being explored, but no explicit consensus on the best approach has been reached.

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Participants note potential issues with factors in the integral and the complexity of certain substitutions. The original poster expresses gratitude for the assistance received, indicating a collaborative effort in understanding the problem.

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Dear community

I'm trying to get a grip on this integral:
[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{1-x}}{\sqrt{x}-1} dx[/tex].
I tried substituting [tex]x=\sin^{2}(u)[/tex], which leaves me (standing) with
[tex]\int \frac{\sin(u)\cos^{2}(u)}{\sin(u)-1} du[/tex].

But I just can't solve it, no matter which way I try.
I would be thankful for every kind of hint/explanation.
Best regards...Cliowa
 
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Well,.when nothing else works, make the s=tan(u/2) substitution:
[tex]\cos(u)=\cos^{2}\frac{u}{2}-\sin^{2}\frac{u}{2}=\cos^{2}(\frac{u}{2})(1-s^{2})=\frac{(1-s^{2})}{\sec^{2}\frac{u}{2}}=\frac{(1-s^{2})}{1+s^{2}}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\sin(u)}{\sin(u)-1}=\frac{2\sin\frac{u}{2}\cos\frac{u}{2}}{2\sin\frac{u}{2}\cos\frac{u}{2}-\cos^{2}\frac{u}{2}-\sin^{2}\frac{u}{2}}=\frac{2s}{2s-s^{2}-1}=-\frac{2s}{(s-1)^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]u=2\arctan(s)\to{du}=\frac{2ds}{1+s^{2}}[/tex]

Collecting, we get to evaluate the integral:
[tex]-\int\frac{4s(1+s)^{2}}{(1+s^{2})^{3}}ds[/tex]
 
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Before introducing trigonometry, I'd substitute [tex]y = \sqrt{1-x}[/tex].
 
cliowa said:
...I tried substituting [tex]x=\sin^{2}(u)[/tex], which leaves me (standing) with
[tex]\int \frac{\sin(u)\cos^{2}(u)}{\sin(u)-1} du[/tex]...
You are forgetting a factor of 2. It should read:
[tex]2 \int \frac{\sin(u)\cos^{2}(u)}{\sin(u)-1} du[/tex] instead.
Now by using the Pythagorean Theorem, we have:
cos2x = 1 - sin2x = -(sin x - 1) (sin x + 1)
So you'll have:
[tex]2 \int \frac{\sin(u)\cos^{2}(u)}{\sin(u)-1} du = -2 \int \sin u (\sin u + 1) du[/tex].
You can go from here, right? :)
 
That was a bit simpler than mine, VietDao..:frown:
 
Thank you very much, arildno, VietDao29 for your great help.
I figured out the rest on my own.
And, although s=tan(u/2) is a bit more complicated I think it's always good to have to ways to go.
Best regards...Cliowa
 

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