Integral with a root in the denominator

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral (μ /4∏ε) ∫ dz/(√(s^2 + z^2)), which involves a root in the denominator. Participants are exploring various substitution methods to simplify the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss different substitution techniques, including trigonometric substitutions such as z=s·tan(θ) and z=s·sinh(θ). There are attempts to clarify the notation and the relationships between the variables involved.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing suggestions and corrections regarding the substitutions. Some participants express confusion about the connections between the substitutions and the resulting expressions, while others encourage further simplification and exploration of the integral.

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There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's knowledge of the integral's value from an integral table, but they seek to understand the calculation process. Participants are also addressing notation issues and the implications of their substitutions.

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Homework Statement



I have been hung up on this integral: (μ /4∏ε) ∫ dz/(√s^2 + z^2)

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i have tried a couple of different u-substitutions, and none are getting me anywhere. I do not that partial fractions, or by parts would help either. I know what the integral equals (integral table), but i should like to know how to calculate it.
 
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the whole denominator is under the square root.
 
Did you try the substitution,

z=s\cdot tan\theta

The integral will be reduced to the integral of a single trigonometric ratio...
 
I used the substitution that you suggested to get...

(μ/4∏ε)(1/s) ∫ dz/[√1+√tan^2(θ)]

I know the answer i should get is...

(μ/4∏ε) Ln[ z+√s^2+√z^2] (evaluated at the bounds...i think i can do that part)

I do not see the connection between your suggestion and the expression above (i.e. how does one get a Ln[stuff] term from trig).
 
Keep going. Finish the substitution and simplify.
 
Don'tKnowMuch said:
I used the substitution that you suggested to get...

(μ/4∏ε)(1/s) ∫ dz/[√1+√tan^2(θ)]
...

I do not see the connection between your suggestion and the expression above (i.e. how does one get a Ln[stuff] term from trig).
If z=s\,\tan(\theta)\,, then what is dz\ ?

The denominator should be \sqrt{1+\tan^2(\theta)}\,, which is not the same as \sqrt{1}+\sqrt{\tan^2(\theta)}\,.
 
First off, thanks for the attention. I truly appreciate it! Sammy, yes you're right about the notation, I'm with you on that. dz should be s*(sec^2(theta))
 
Don'tKnowMuch said:
First off, thanks for the attention. I truly appreciate it! Sammy, yes you're right about the notation, I'm with you on that. dz should be s*(sec^2(theta))
Then use the identity, 1+\tan^2(\theta)=\sec^2(\theta) & simplify.
 
I"ve got it! Sheesh, it's like i removed splinter. Thank you so much. I love physics forums.
 
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Just another suggestion for the substitution: z=s.\sinh \theta
 

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