Integral with trig substitution

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{x^2-9}} \, dx\) using various methods, including trigonometric substitution and integration by parts. Participants explore different approaches to simplify and solve the integral.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt trigonometric substitution, specifically letting \(x = 3 \sec \theta\), and express the integral in terms of \(\sec\) and \(\tan\). Others suggest transforming secants into tangents to facilitate integration.
  • Another participant proposes using integration by parts and substitution as an alternative method, questioning the necessity of trigonometric approaches.
  • There are discussions about simplifying the integral and transforming back to the variable \(x\) after integration.

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The discussion features multiple approaches being explored, with some participants providing guidance on how to proceed with trigonometric identities and integration techniques. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, as various interpretations and techniques are being considered.

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Participants are navigating through different methods of integration, with some expressing uncertainty about the effectiveness of trigonometric identities and others suggesting alternative strategies. The original problem context remains focused on the integral involving a square root and polynomial terms.

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[SOLVED] Integral with trig substitution

Homework Statement



Find \int(x^3)/\sqrt{x^2-9}

Homework Equations



Trig substitution. sin^2 + cos^2 =1, and other things that you can figure out from that.

Half angle formula, cos^2\theta=(1+cos(2\theta) )*.5

The Attempt at a Solution



Let x=3*sec\theta
so dx=3*sec\theta*tan\theta d\theta

When I substitute that in and simplify it, I got:

27*\int(sec^4(\theta) d\theta)

And I don't know how to integrate that. Half angle formulas aren't seeming to work.

Thanks!
 
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Or, you can transform some of the secants into tangents:

27\int \sec^4 \theta d\theta = 27\int (1+\tan^2 \theta)\sec^2 \theta d\theta

and you can go from there.
 
Tedjn said:
Or, you can transform some of the secants into tangents:

27\int \sec^4 \theta d\theta = 27\int (1+\tan^2 \theta)\sec^2 \theta d\theta

and you can go from there.

27\int (1+\tan^2 \theta)\sec^2 \theta d\theta

27\int \sec^2 \theta d\theta + 27\int \tan^2 \theta\sec^2 \theta d\theta

27*tan\theta + 9\tan^3 \theta

Haha sorry I kind of forgot that \int \sec^2\theta d\theta was tan!
 
You are almost done. Because the problem was originally in terms of x, you will need to transform \theta back into x.
 
There's no need for trigonometry. Part integration and an immediate substitution will do the trick.

\int \frac{x^{3}}{\sqrt{x^{2}-9}}dx=\int x^{2}\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}-9}}dx=\allowbreak x^{2}\sqrt{x^{2}-9}-2\int x\sqrt{x^{2}-9}\,dx=\allowbreak x^{2}\sqrt{x^{2}-9}-\frac{2}{3}\left( \sqrt{x^{2}-9}\right) ^{3}

up to a constant of integration.
 
… just simplify …

Integration by parts not necessary:

\int \frac{x^{3}}{\sqrt{x^{2}-9}}dx<br /> =\int x\sqrt{x^{2}-9}dx\,+\,\int \frac{9x}{\sqrt{x^{2}-9}}dx<br /> \,=\,\frac{1}{3}(x^{2}-9)^{3/2}\,+\,9\sqrt{x^{2}-9}<br /> \,=\,(\frac{1}{3}x^2\,+\,6)\sqrt{x^{2}-9}\,.
 
Polynomial division?
 
Tedjn said:
You are almost done. Because the problem was originally in terms of x, you will need to transform \theta back into x.

Right...I always forget that!

x=3*sec \theta \Rightarrow \theta = Sec^-1 (x/3)

\Rightarrow tan\theta = \sqrt{x^2-9}/3

9 \sqrt{x^2-9} + (x^2-9)^\frac{3}{2} /3

Shiny! Thanks
 

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