Integral x^n *f(x) dx =0 ; f for all n, f in C[0,1], then f(x)=0

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The discussion revolves around the integral condition involving a continuous function \( f \) defined on the interval \([0,1]\) and powers of \( x \). Participants explore whether the condition \( \int_0^1 x^n f(x) dx = 0 \) for all non-negative integers \( n \) implies that \( f(x) = 0 \) for all \( x \) in \([0,1]\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and the application of approximation techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using Weierstrass approximation to show that if \( \int_0^1 x^n f(x) dx = 0 \), then \( f(x) \) must equal zero by approximating \( f \) with polynomials \( P_n(x) \).
  • Another participant challenges the substitution of \( f(x) \) with \( P_n(x) \pm \varepsilon \) in the integral, suggesting that an inequality approach should be used instead.
  • A participant acknowledges the need for rigor in their argument and indicates they will refine their approach.
  • One participant presents an inequality involving the integral of the difference between \( P_n(x) \) and \( f(x) \), suggesting that as \( n \) approaches infinity, the integral converges to \( \int_0^1 f(x)^2 dx \).
  • A later reply agrees that the conclusion follows straightforwardly from the previous layout of the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial substitution and the rigor of the argument. While some agree on the general direction of the reasoning, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to rigorously prove the claim.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of uniform convergence and the interchange of limits and integrals, but there are unresolved details regarding the assumptions and steps in the argument.

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I am trying to show that for f in C[0,1] , and ##n=0,1,2,... ## we have:

## \int_0^1 x^n f(x)dx =0 ## (&&) , then

##f(x)==0 ## .

I am using Weirstrass approximation, so that , for any ## \epsilon >0 ## , there is ## P_n(x) =

a_0+a_1x +..+x^n ## with : ##Sup_{x in [0,1]} | P_n(x)-f(x)| < \epsilon ##.

We then sub-in in (&&) to get, for ## i=0,1,..,n ##. :

##0= \int _0^1 a_i x^i => \int_0^1 P_n(x)f(x)dx =0 ## , so :

## \int_0^1 [f(x) \pm \epsilon] f(x)dx = \int_0^1 f(x)^2 + (\epsilon) f(x) =0 ##

We let ## \epsilon →0 ## , and then ##\int_0^1 f(x)^2 =0 → f(x)=0 ##.
 
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You have substituted ##f(x) = P_n(x) \pm \varepsilon## in the integral. I don't see how this could be correct. The only thing you know is that

f(x)-\varepsilon &lt; P_n(x) &lt; f(x)+\varepsilon

So you should do something with this to get an inequality of integrals.

But what I would do is make use of the fact that ##P_n\rightarrow f## uniformly and that uniform limits allow us to interchange limit and integral.
 
Yes, I was a bit fuzzy there, but I think this can be "rigorized" by using an inequality. I will show a cleaned-up version soon; just trying to see if the argument is "spiritually correct" as my prof. says.
 
I would do the following

\left|\int_0^1 P_n(x)f(x)dx - \int_0^1 f(x)^2 dx\right|\leq \int_0^1 |P_n(x) - f(x)| |f(x)|dx\leq \textrm{sup}_{x\in [0,1]} |P_n(x) - f(x)| \int_0^1 |f(x)|dx

This if ##n\rightarrow +\infty##, then

\int_0^1 P_n(x)f(x) dx \rightarrow \int_0^1 f(x)^2dx

And since each term of the sequence is ##0##, we get ##\int_0^1 f(x)^2dx = 0## and thus ##f = 0##.
 
Yes, this follows from the layout pretty straightforward.
 

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