Integrate Hard Integral Homework Problem: Step by Step Guide

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The discussion focuses on solving a challenging integral problem using trigonometric identities and substitutions. Participants suggest rewriting the integrand and utilizing identities like sin²(t) and tan²(y) to simplify the expression. There is a debate about whether to use polar coordinates or eliminate the variable t to express y as a function of x, with some arguing that polar coordinates may be easier. Clarification is sought on the derivation of the substitution s = (√5u)/2 and the overall approach to reach the final result. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of the integration process and the need for a clear understanding of the steps involved.
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Homework Statement


How to integrate:
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I used formula: sin^2(t) = ( 1-cos^2(t))
and now it's:
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Then:
u=cos(t)
du=-sin(t)
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What to do next?
 
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We may now rewrite the integrand as:
-6\sqrt{s^{2}+1}, s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}
Now, utilize the trigonometric identity:
\tan^{2}(y)+1=\frac{1}{\cos^{2}(y)}
in a creative way.
 
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Where did the 3 come from?
Try using the identity 1 + tan2x = sec2x after some initial manipulation of the integrand.
 
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Actually the task sounds like this:
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Maybe I have to use polar coordinates? Any sugestions? Before I tried with diferent way, but I guess that integration without polar coordinates is too hard.
 
L is a segment of an ellipse. You might go polar, but you can eliminate t as well, and express y as a function of x(Hint: sin^+cos^2=1)
 
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Seems to me that variant when we use y=y(x) is more complicated than variant with polar coordinates.

arildno said:
We may now rewrite the integrand as:
-6\sqrt{s^{2}+1}, s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}
Now, utilize the trigonometric identity:
\tan^{2}(y)+1=\frac{1}{\cos^{2}(y)}
in a creative way.

Not clear, how did you get there: s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}
We didn't learn about triple substitution, but I want to understand, how to get the final result. Can you explain some how?
 
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