Integrate Hard Integral Homework Problem: Step by Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a complex integral involving trigonometric identities and potential substitutions. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including the use of polar coordinates and trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to rewrite the integrand using trigonometric identities and substitutions. Questions arise regarding the origin of certain constants and the appropriateness of different methods, such as polar coordinates versus direct substitutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various suggestions and questioning the steps taken by others. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the techniques learned and their applicability to the problem at hand, highlighting a potential gap in understanding regarding advanced substitution methods.

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Homework Statement


How to integrate:
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The Attempt at a Solution


I used formula: sin^2(t) = ( 1-cos^2(t))
and now it's:
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Then:
u=cos(t)
du=-sin(t)
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What to do next?
 
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We may now rewrite the integrand as:
[tex]-6\sqrt{s^{2}+1}, s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}[/tex]
Now, utilize the trigonometric identity:
[tex]\tan^{2}(y)+1=\frac{1}{\cos^{2}(y)}[/tex]
in a creative way.
 
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Where did the 3 come from?
Try using the identity 1 + tan2x = sec2x after some initial manipulation of the integrand.
 
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Actually the task sounds like this:
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Maybe I have to use polar coordinates? Any sugestions? Before I tried with diferent way, but I guess that integration without polar coordinates is too hard.
 
L is a segment of an ellipse. You might go polar, but you can eliminate t as well, and express y as a function of x(Hint: sin^+cos^2=1)
 
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Seems to me that variant when we use y=y(x) is more complicated than variant with polar coordinates.

arildno said:
We may now rewrite the integrand as:
[tex]-6\sqrt{s^{2}+1}, s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}[/tex]
Now, utilize the trigonometric identity:
[tex]\tan^{2}(y)+1=\frac{1}{\cos^{2}(y)}[/tex]
in a creative way.

Not clear, how did you get there: [tex]s=\frac{\sqrt{5}u}{2}[/tex]
We didn't learn about triple substitution, but I want to understand, how to get the final result. Can you explain some how?
 

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