Integrate using trig substitution

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves integrating the expression sqrt(8x - x^2), which is approached through trigonometric substitution. Participants are exploring the implications of their substitutions and the transformations involved in the integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss completing the square and rewriting the integral in a form suitable for trigonometric substitution. There are questions about the correctness of substitutions and the subsequent steps in the integration process. Some participants express uncertainty about how to revert back to the original variable after integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on using trigonometric identities and substitutions. There is a focus on ensuring that the transformations are correctly applied and that the final result is expressed in terms of the original variable x. Multiple interpretations of the substitution process are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the integral is definite, which adds complexity to the substitution and evaluation process. There is also mention of needing to visualize the problem through a triangle to better understand the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



int sqrt 8x-x^2

Homework Equations



trig sub

The Attempt at a Solution



complete the square
integral becomes
int sqrt 16-(x-4)^2

let x-4= 16sin(Q) sqrt 16-(x-4)^2 =sqrt 16-256sin^2(Q)
dx= 16cos(Q)dQ = 16cos(Q)


int 16cos(Q)16cos(Q) dQ=256 int cos^2(Q)dQ double angle formula

128 int 1+cos(2Q) dQ let u=2Q 1/2du=dQ

This is the part where i get messed up...
128 int 1 dQ + 128 int cos(u)du
So the first part is just 128Q and the integral of 128intcos(u)du is 128sin(u)
So do I fill 2Q back in for u? Then if I fill it back in do I use Q=[sqrt16-(x-4)^2] / 16 ??
 
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[tex]\int\sqrt{8x-x^2}dx[/tex]

[tex]\int\sqrt{4^2-(x-4)^2}dx[/tex]

*[tex]x=a\sin\theta \rightarrow a=4[/tex]

[tex]x-4=4\sin\theta[/tex]
[tex]dx=4\cos\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int\sqrt{4^2-4^2\cos^2\theta}d\theta[/tex]

Re-check your substitutions!
 
Ok so other than that does it look right? It is a definite integral so in the end i just plug my value in correct?
 
I end up with 8[Q]+8[sin(2Q)] But I am not sure how to put a value back in for Q
 
You want it in terms of x?

Use your substitutions ... cosine = adj/hyp and sine = opp/hyp.
 
hmm I am not familiar with doing it like that
 
Draw a triangle and you will know what I mean ...

[tex]x-4=4\sin\theta[/tex]

[tex]\sin\theta=\frac{x-4}{4}[/tex]

[tex](x-4)^2+\cos^2\theta=4^2[/tex]

[tex]\cos\theta=\frac{\sqrt{4^2-(x-4)^2}}{4}[/tex]
 
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