How can I find the antiderivative of dx/dv^2 in my physics book?

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of the expression dx/dv² as presented in a physics textbook. Participants explore the mathematical rules for integration, particularly focusing on the integral of 1/v² and the differences between integrating 1/v and 1/v². The conversation includes clarifications on LaTeX formatting and the application of integration rules.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on integrating dx/dv², noting confusion with the antiderivative rules.
  • Another participant provides the integral formula for x^n, highlighting the special case when n = -1.
  • Several participants confirm the result of the integral of 1/v² as -1/v, while also discussing the integral of 1/v as ln|v|.
  • There is a question raised about the validity of having different powers of v in separate terms, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the mathematical expressions involved.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks assistance in identifying any errors in their integration process.
  • Discussion includes a clarification on LaTeX formatting and how to properly represent exponents.
  • One participant notes a discrepancy in their textbook regarding the conditions for the integration rules.

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Participants generally agree on the results of the integrals discussed, but there are differing interpretations and understandings of the integration rules and their applications. Some confusion remains regarding specific terms and the notation used in the mathematical expressions.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of integration rules, particularly in the context of different powers of v. There are also mentions of potential errors in textbooks regarding the conditions for integration.

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Integrating dx/dv^2 ??

i'm trying to figure out an example in my physics book but i don't quite understand the maths.

<br /> \int \frac {dv} {v^2} = - \frac {1} {v} <br /> [\tex]<br /> <br /> how does this happen??<br /> <br /> looking at the basic antiderivative formulas section in my maths book, it says that: <br /> <br /> &lt;br /&gt; \int \frac {dv} {v} = ln v&lt;br /&gt; [\tex}&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; but nowwhere do i find info on how to do the problem in my physics book.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; would reallly appreciate the help! :)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; +edit+&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; sorry, very new to the forums.. why doesn&amp;#039;t the latex work? &lt;img src=&quot;https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png&quot; class=&quot;smilie smilie--emoji&quot; loading=&quot;lazy&quot; width=&quot;64&quot; height=&quot;64&quot; alt=&quot;:confused:&quot; title=&quot;Confused :confused:&quot; data-smilie=&quot;5&quot;data-shortname=&quot;:confused:&quot; /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; just in case others can&amp;#039;t view it as well.. what i meant was.. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; how do you integrate dv/v^2? i know the answer is -1/v but don&amp;#039;t know the rules for this. the closest rule i can find is that integrating dv/v is ln v..&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; incidentally, i don&amp;#039;t think I&amp;#039;ve activated this account properly.. how can i activate my account? (i deleted the activate account e-mail i think)
 
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the closing tag should be [/tex]
 
I can't use LaTeX properly, so I'll just write it out again.

The integral of x^n dx = [x^(n + 1)]/(n + 1) + C for all n (positive or negative), except n = -1, in which case, it is ln x + C.

So, in your case you have the integral of dx/x^2 = x^-2 dx and just apply the rule above.
 
\int \frac{dv}{v^2} = \frac{-1}{v}

\int \frac{dv}{v} = ln|v|
 
Does it make sense to have \frac{1}{v^{2}} in one member and \frac{1}{v} in the other...?I think not.

Daniel.
 
ah thanks a lot! thank you inha for that [/tex]! and thank you nylex for that explanation! i never knew that it didn't apply when n = -1.. now that i look in my textbook, it does specify that.. though wrongly.. it says when n = 1 (checking in another book, shows that it is indeed when n = -1)


but what do you mean to have \frac {1} {v^2} in one member and \frac {1} {v} in another? i don't understand at all. (what's a member, first of all?)


and thanks whozum for the proper rendition in latex! but why is it \int \frac{dv}{v^2} = \frac{-1}{v} and not \int \frac{dv}{v^2} = - \frac{1}{v}? i know that both actually mean the same thing but when i do the calculation i reach \int \frac{dv}{v^2} = \frac{1}{-v}.. which means that i may doing something wrong so, just in case.. i'll write out how i do it and if you could be so kind, could you point out where i went wrong?

\int \frac{dv}{v^2} <br /> = \int \frac{1}{v^2} dv<br /> = \int (v^-2) dv<br /> = \frac{v^-1}{-1}<br /> = \frac {\frac{1}{v}} {\frac{-1}{1}}<br /> = \frac{-1}{v}

i guess this is where the difference is? \frac{1}{-1} instead of \frac{-1}{1}? does it matter? i haven't done any maths for a long long time and i have no idea if it does or not..


** by the way, why is it that the "1" is not in superscript in \frac{v^-1}{-1}?
 
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The answers you gave are identical and both correct. To superscript it, put { } about the exponential argument

a^{apples} = a^{apples}
 
thanks! :)
 
The general formula, by the way is that the anti-derivative of x^n is
\frac{1}{n+1}x^{n+1}+ C unless n+1= 0 (since we can't have 1/0) . That happens, of course, when n= -1. The anti-derivative of x^{-1}= \frac{1}{x} is ln|x|. There are a variety of ways to show that- the simplest is to define ln|x| in that way.
 

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