Integrating with Partial Fractions - Irreducable

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The discussion revolves around integrating the function (2x-5)/(x^2+5x+11), which involves dealing with an irreducible quadratic in the denominator. Participants are exploring methods of integration, particularly focusing on partial fractions and the manipulation of the integrand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the integrand to facilitate integration, questioning how to handle different forms of the numerator. There is a focus on ensuring the numerator relates to the derivative of the denominator.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights on rewriting the integrand and integrating parts of it. There is an ongoing exploration of different numerator forms and their implications for integration techniques. Some participants express understanding while others seek clarification on specific transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of irreducible quadratics and the necessity of manipulating the numerator to align with the derivative of the denominator. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding constants introduced during the manipulation process.

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Homework Statement


I need to integrate (2x-5)/(x^2+5x+11)


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The Attempt at a Solution


My problem is just finding a formula for an irreducable quadratic. I know if the denominator was x(x^2+1), I would use A/x+(Bx+C)/(x^2+1). I just don't know the formula in this case and I feel like I could solve it if I had a formula.
 
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Rewrite the integrand as

[tex]\frac{2x - 5 + 10 - 10}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{2x + 5}{x^2 + 5x + 11} - \frac{10}{x^2 + 5x + 11}.[/tex]

In the new expression, we can integrate the first by noting that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator. For the second, complete the square and substitute.
 
snipez90 said:
Rewrite the integrand as

[tex]\frac{2x - 5 + 10 - 10}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{2x + 5}{x^2 + 5x + 11} - \frac{10}{x^2 + 5x + 11}.[/tex]

In the new expression, we can integrate the first by noting that the numerator is the derivative of the denominator. For the second, complete the square and substitute.

Ok, I sort of understand that, but let's say the numerator was something like 3x-7. Is there something different to do in this case?
 
Not really, the basic idea is to ensure that we have some expression where the derivative of the quadratic in the denominator is the numerator.

If 3x - 7 was in the numerator, then 3x - 7 = (3/2)(2x - 14/3). Hence,

[tex]\frac{3x - 7}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{3}{2}\cdot\frac{2x - 14/3 + 29/3 - 29/3}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{3}{2}\left(\frac{2x + 5}{x^2 + 5x + 11} - \frac{29}{3}\cdot\frac{1}{x^2 + 5x + 11}\right)[/tex]
 
That's a good way to do it, remembering that:

[tex]\int \frac{f'(x)}{f(x)} dx = \log_e (f(x))[/tex]

and that

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x^2+a^2} = \frac{\tan^{-1} (\frac{x}{a}) }{a}[/tex]

Seeing that the integral can be split in the fashion described is a good start and maybe it's the first step you should look to take when seeing an integrand that is a quotient of two polynomials the numerator being of one less degree than the denominator.
 
Thanks! I figured it out!
 
I think this would be general for problems like these?

[tex]\int \frac{Ax+B}{ax^2+bx+c} dx = \frac{A}{2a}\int \frac{2a}{A}.\frac{Ax+B}{ax^2+bx+c} = \frac{A}{2a}\left( \int\frac{2ax+b}{ax^2+bx+c}+\int{\frac{\frac{2aB}{A}-b}{ax^2+bx+c}\right)[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{\frac{2aB}{A}-b}{ax^2+bx+c} = \frac{\frac{2aB}{A}-b}{a\sqrt{c-\frac{b^2}{4a^2}}}\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{x+\frac{b}{2a}}{\sqrt{c-\frac{b^2}{4a^2}}}\right)[/tex]

So

[tex]\int \frac{Ax+B}{ax^2+bx+c} dx = \frac{A}{2a}\left(log_e(ax^2+bx+c) + \frac{\frac{2aB}{A}-b}{a\sqrt{c-\frac{b^2}{4a^2}}}\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{x+\frac{b}{2a}}{\sqrt{c-\frac{b^2}{4a^2}}}\right)\right)[/tex]
 
snipez90 said:
Not really, the basic idea is to ensure that we have some expression where the derivative of the quadratic in the denominator is the numerator.

If 3x - 7 was in the numerator, then 3x - 7 = (3/2)(2x - 14/3). Hence,

[tex]\frac{3x - 7}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{3}{2}\cdot\frac{2x - 14/3 + 29/3 - 29/3}{x^2 + 5x + 11} = \frac{3}{2}\left(\frac{2x + 5}{x^2 + 5x + 11} - \frac{29}{3}\cdot\frac{1}{x^2 + 5x + 11}\right)[/tex]

Where does the 29/3 come from? I see that we want 2x+5 in the numerator. So we would have 3x-7+12-12, right? From there, I get (3/2)(2x-14/3+24/3-24/3). This will give us what we want. I'm just trying to see where 29/3 came from instead of 24/3?
 
I think I figured it out. It's because of the 3/2 factored out?
 

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