Integrating x/(x+1) with a Simple Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x/(x+1), with participants exploring substitution methods and differentiation outcomes.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the substitution u = x + 1 and the subsequent integration steps. There are questions about the validity of the differentiation results and the simplification of the integral's expression.

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Some participants have offered guidance on differentiation techniques, while others are questioning the necessity of rewriting the integral's result. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the differentiation process.

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There is mention of the constant of integration and concerns about the clarity of differentiation results, indicating potential confusion in the integration process.

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An "easy" integral

Homework Statement



solve ∫x/(x+1)


The Attempt at a Solution



let u = x + 1 ,therefore, x = u - 1

hence, ∫x/(x+1) = ∫(u-1)/u = ∫u/u - ∫1/u = ∫1 - ∫1/u = u - lnu = x + 1 - ln(x+1)
=x+1+ln(1/(x+1))

differentiating this gives me x + 2 which does not make sense!
Please help!
 
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Use the chain rule.
 


Differentiating that does NOT give you x+2. Try differentiating again. Carefully, this time.
 


jasper10 said:

Homework Statement



solve ∫x/(x+1)


The Attempt at a Solution



let u = x + 1 ,therefore, x = u - 1

hence, ∫x/(x+1) = ∫(u-1)/u = ∫u/u - ∫1/u = ∫1 - ∫1/u = u - lnu = x + 1 - ln(x+1)
=x+1+ln(1/(x+1))
Why not leave it as x + 1 - ln(x + 1)? I don't see any advantage in rewriting the last term as ln(1/(x + 1)), and it makes taking the derivative more complicated.

Also, don't forget the constant of integration!
jasper10 said:
differentiating this gives me x + 2 which does not make sense!
Please help!
 


So you agree that x + 1 - ln(x+1) = x+1+ln(1/(x+1)) ?

what would be the steps for differentiating x+1+ln(1/(x+1)) without changing it back to : x + 1 - ln(x+1) ?

Thanks!
 


Oh ok thanks, doesn't matter, i got it!

(At night I can think clearer than in the daytime!)
 

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