Integration by parts homework problem

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int_0^\infty r e^{-ar} \sin{(Kr)} dr\), which involves techniques such as integration by parts and complex analysis. Participants are exploring methods to evaluate this integral, particularly focusing on the integration by parts approach.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss using integration by parts, with one suggesting a nested application of the technique. Others propose rewriting the sine function in terms of complex exponentials to simplify the integral. Questions arise regarding the necessity of focusing on the imaginary part of the result.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being considered. Some participants are questioning the complexity of nested integration by parts, while others are suggesting alternative methods involving complex numbers. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to evaluate the integral over an infinite range and the implications of differentiating with respect to parameters in the integrand.

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How do I integrate the following:

[itex]\int_0^\infty r e^{-ar} \sin{(Kr)} dr[/itex]

i tried writing [itex]r e^{-ar} = -\frac{d}{da} e^{-ar}[/itex] and using integration by parts but i couldn't get anywhere. any ideas?
 
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Would i.b.p not work if you let dv = re^(-ar)dr? You would have to use another iteration of i.b.p... I'll check it out when I've got some paper in front of me, but give that a try.
 


The Chaz said:
Would i.b.p not work if you let dv = re^(-ar)dr? You would have to use another iteration of i.b.p... I'll check it out when I've got some paper in front of me, but give that a try.

but then we would have to use integration by parts to evaluate v from dv. So it would end up being a nested integration by parts within an integration by parts? that seems awfully complicated, no?
 


You can use integration by part, but it is easier to write

sin(K r) = Im[exp(i k r)]

Then you have the integral of

r exp(-b r)

wih b = a - i k

and you need to take the imaginary part of the answer.


And, as you already noted, you can compute the integral without the factor r in the integrand and differentiate w.r.t. b to bring a factor of r down.
 


Count Iblis said:
You can use integration by part, but it is easier to write

sin(K r) = Im[exp(i k r)]

Then you have the integral of

r exp(-b r)

wih b = a - i k

and you need to take the imaginary part of the answer.


And, as you already noted, you can compute the integral without the factor r in the integrand and differentiate w.r.t. b to bring a factor of r down.

why do i only need to consider the imaginary part of the answer?
 


latentcorpse said:
why do i only need to consider the imaginary part of the answer?


Because that will yield the sin(kr) factor in the integrand. Note that you do that at the very end after you have differentiated w.r.t. the constant in the exponential to bring down the factor r.
 

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