Integration by parts involving partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the integration by parts technique applied to the integral of a function involving partial derivatives, specifically \(\int x \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx\), where \(f\) is a function of both \(x\) and \(t\). Participants are exploring the correct substitutions and implications of integrating a partial derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the choice of \(u\) and \(dv\) in the integration by parts setup, questioning the validity of substituting \(v\) as the integral of the partial derivative of \(f\). There is also a consideration of the implications of the constant of integration when \(f\) is a function of \(t\).

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the correctness of the substitution for \(v\) and provide clarification on the nature of the constant of integration. Others raise questions about the treatment of arbitrary functions when evaluating definite integrals, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the potential confusion regarding the constant of integration in the context of functions of multiple variables, as well as the implications of switching from indefinite to definite integrals.

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Homework Statement


[tex] \int x \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx<br /> [/tex]

where

[tex]f=f(x,t)[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex] \int u \, dv = uv - \int v \, du[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex] u = x[/tex] so [tex]du = dx[/tex]

and

[tex] dv = \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx[/tex] so [tex]v = \int \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx = f?[/tex]

Are these the correct substitutions? I am especially hesitant about the last term, so can anyone explain why it's right/wrong?
 
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you'd get v=f(x,t) + h(t)


EDIT: Sorry, there'd be no h(t)...
 
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tjkubo said:

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex] u = x[/tex] so [tex]du = dx[/tex]

and

[tex] dv = \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx[/tex] so [tex]v = \int \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} dx = f?[/tex]

Are these the correct substitutions? I am especially hesitant about the last term, so can anyone explain why it's right/wrong?

The term you are hesitant about is correct. You are integrating, with respect to x, the derivative of f with respect to x, so by the fundamental theorem of calculus that integral is just f.

So, you're right. Just finish the integration by parts and you're done!
 
n!kofeyn said:
So, you're right. Just finish the integration by parts and you're done!


Just be sure to remember that the "constant" of integration in this case isn't constant--it's an arbitrary function of t.
 
foxjwill said:
Just be sure to remember that the "constant" of integration in this case isn't constant--it's an arbitrary function of t.

That's correct. Thanks.
 
What if the integral was a definite integral? Would the final result be some function of t only? And would you disregard the arbitrary function of t?
 
You wouldn't disregard it nor do you just disregard it for a normal integral. What happens when you evaluate a definite integral is that the constants get subtracted from each other.

[tex] f(x,t)+h(t)]_{x_1}^{x_2}=f(x_1,t)+h(t)-(f(x_2,t)+h(t))=f(x_1,t)-f(x_2,t)[/tex]
 

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