Integration by parts of 4th order DE

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The discussion revolves around integrating a fourth-order differential equation with constant coefficients, specifically examining the equation d4u/dx4 + K d2u/dx2 + 6 = 0 over the interval 0 < x < 1. Participants are exploring the integration by parts technique and its implications for symmetry.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to assign variables for integration by parts, questioning whether the equation can be split into separate integrals or if it must be treated as a whole. There is also confusion regarding the integration of higher-order derivatives and the characteristic equation associated with the differential equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the correct approach to take for integration by parts. Some guidance has been offered regarding treating the equation as one with constant coefficients, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to proceed with the integration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the fourth-order equation and the challenges posed by its higher derivatives. There is an emphasis on understanding the nature of the equation before proceeding with integration techniques.

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having difficulty integrating the following equation by parts to determine if its symmetric:

d4 u / dx4 + K d2 u / dx2 + 6 = 0 0< x < 1

Can someone help with this?
 
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If K is a constant then you have a 4th order DE with constant coefficients. So that all of your answers will be in the form y=erx.

d4u/dx4 + K d2u/dx2 + 6=0
 
But I'm lost with assigning u, v, du, dv to this equation? Also can I split it into three idfferent integrals added together or must I assign the values and differentiate the hole equation by parts? Not for sure if I'm being clear?
 
\frac{d^4u}{dx^4} + K \frac{d^2u}{dx^2} + 6=0

Now you can just integrate everything with respect to x to get

\int \frac{d^4u}{dx^4}dx + \int K \frac{d^2u}{dx^2}dx + \int 6dx= \int 0dx



Now \int \frac{dy}{dx}dx=y+c where c is a constant. Now just use this idea to work out your problem.
 
shuttleman11 said:
But I'm lost with assigning u, v, du, dv to this equation? Also can I split it into three idfferent integrals added together or must I assign the values and differentiate the hole equation by parts? Not for sure if I'm being clear?
This is NOT a first order equation: you can't just integrate both sides. rockfreak667 told you to do it as an equation with constant coefficients. What is its characteristic equation?

rock.freak667 said:
\frac{d^4u}{dx^4} + K \frac{d^2u}{dx^2} + 6=0

Now you can just integrate everything with respect to x to get

\int \frac{d^4u}{dx^4}dx + \int K \frac{d^2u}{dx^2}dx + \int 6dx= \int 0dx


Now \int \frac{dy}{dx}dx=y+c where c is a constant. Now just use this idea to work out your problem.
And what is \int d^2y/dx^2 dx?
 

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