Integration by Parts: Solving Indefinite Integral (x+3)/(x^2+6x) dx

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the indefinite integral of the expression (x + 3)/(x^2 + 6x) dx. The problem is situated within the context of integration techniques, specifically focusing on integration by parts and substitution methods.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration by parts method, with one suggesting a substitution approach instead. There is a discussion about the relationship between the numerator and the derivative of the denominator, prompting questions about appropriate substitutions.

Discussion Status

The conversation reflects a variety of perspectives on the best method to approach the integral. Some participants suggest that substitution may be more straightforward, while others express confusion about the preferred method for the homework problem. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but multiple methods are being considered.

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Participants note that the problem originates from an online homework assignment that emphasizes integration by parts and substitution, which may influence the expected method of solution.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the indefinite integral.

∫(x + 3)/(x^2+6x) dx


Homework Equations


This is an online homework prob. that covers sections integration by parts and substitution in indefinite integrals. it looks to me that it fits into the formula ∫udv=uv-∫vdu if you change the original equation to (x+3)*(x^2+6x)^-1


The Attempt at a Solution


Doing this would give you u=x+3, dv=(x^2+6x)^-1, du=1, v=(-log(x+6)-log(x))/6

the final answer becomes (x+3)((-log(x+6)-log(x))/6)-((-(x+6)log(x+6)+xlog(x)-2x-6)/6)

this however is not correct answer. Am I using the wrong method?
 
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muddyjch said:
Am I using the wrong method?

You are missing an easier method. Take the derivative of the denominator and compare it to the expression in the numerator. Do you see an easy relation between the TWO? Now ask, what substitution makes sense?
 
I think you'd be better served trying substitution.
 
stevenb said:
You are missing an easier method. Take the derivative of the denominator and compare it to the expression in the numerator. Do you see an easy relation between the TWO? Now ask, what substitution makes sense?

Are you suggesting sub u=x^2+6x, du=2x+6 dx and so 1/2du=x+3 dx and the final answer should be 1/2 log (x^2+6x)? This is not the answer he wants because i believe he wants us to use a different method. Kind of confusing.
 
muddyjch said:
This is not the answer he wants because i believe he wants us to use a different method. Kind of confusing.

It is confusing. Did he say what method he wants you to use? You mentioned the problem came from an online HW problem directed at int. by parts and substitution. It seems substitution is the preferred and direct method. But, there is usually more than one way to skin a cat.
 

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