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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral ∫0π/2 (sinx/sinx+cosx) dx, with participants expressing confusion over the final result and the correctness of their approaches. The subject area is integral calculus, specifically focusing on techniques for evaluating definite integrals.

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  • Participants share their attempts at solving the integral and express uncertainty about their results. There are discussions about the use of parentheses in the integral expression, and some participants suggest using trigonometric identities and substitutions to simplify the problem.

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Several participants have offered hints and suggestions for re-evaluating the integral, including the use of specific substitutions and the importance of proper notation. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the integral setup, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach or final answer.

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One participant has specified a constraint to use the Karl Weierstrass method for solving the integral, indicating a preference for a particular technique over others. There are also mentions of potential issues with the visibility of posts in the thread.

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Hello Folks
I have integral
0π/2 (sinx/sinx+cosx) dx

I have got the answer is π/4

I have even solved indefinite integral
[ln(tan^2(x/2)-2(tan(x/2))-1)]/2 + [tan-1(tan(x/2)) + [ln(1+tan^2(x/2))]/2]/2

my problem is I am not getting pi/4 as final answer

I have got (ln(-2))/2 + π/8 + (ln(2))/4

is there something I am missing?
 
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PhyCalc said:
Hello Folks
I have integral
0π/2 (sinx/sinx+cosx) dx

I have got the answer is π/4

I have even solved indefinite integral
[ln(tan^2(x/2)-2(tan(x/2))-1)]/2 + [tan-1(tan(x/2)) + [ln(1+tan^2(x/2))]/2]/2

my problem is I am not getting pi/4 as final answer

I have got (ln(-2))/2 + π/8 + (ln(2))/4

is there something I am missing?

I'm not sure I believe that answer for the indefinite integral. You can use some trig identities to simplify things. Note that:

##sin(x) + cos(x) = \sqrt{2}sin(x + \frac{\pi}{4})##

Then tackle the numerator. Hint: ##x = x + \frac{\pi}{4} - \frac{\pi}{4}##
 
PhyCalc said:
I have even solved indefinite integral
How? The result is wrong.
 
PhyCalc said:
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Hello Folks
I have integral
0π/2 (sinx/sinx+cosx) dx

is there something I am missing?
Unless the integral is ##\int_0^{\pi/2} 1 + cos(x)dx##, then yes, there is something you're missing - parentheses.

If you meant ##\frac{sin(x)}{sin(x) + cos(x)}##, then you should have written it as sin(x)/(sin(x) + cos(x)).
 
Mark44 said:
Unless the integral is ##\int_0^{\pi/2} 1 + cos(x)dx##, then yes, there is something you're missing - parentheses.

If you meant ##\frac{sin(x)}{sin(x) + cos(x)}##, then you should have written it as sin(x)/(sin(x) + cos(x)).

Here's a hint. Try the substitution x=pi/2-u.
 
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PhyCalc said:
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Hello Folks
I have integral
0π/2 (sinx/sinx+cosx) dx

I have got the answer is π/4

I have even solved indefinite integral
[ln(tan^2(x/2)-2(tan(x/2))-1)]/2 + [tan-1(tan(x/2)) + [ln(1+tan^2(x/2))]/2]/2

my problem is I am not getting pi/4 as final answer

I have got (ln(-2))/2 + π/8 + (ln(2))/4

is there something I am missing?

The integrand is ##(\pi/2)[\sin x / \sin x + \cos x] = (\pi/2)[ 1 + \cos x]##, so your integral looks incorrect. Did you mean
\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{\sin x}{\sin x + \cos x}?
If so, use parentheses, like this: sin(x)/(sin(x) + cos(x)] or sin x /(sin x + cos x).
 
Ray Vickson said:
The integrand is ##(\pi/2)[\sin x / \sin x + \cos x] = (\pi/2)[ 1 + \cos x]##, so your integral looks incorrect. Did you mean
\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{\sin x}{\sin x + \cos x}?
If so, use parentheses, like this: sin(x)/(sin(x) + cos(x)] or sin x /(sin x + cos x).
That's what I said in post #4.
 
Mark44 said:
That's what I said in post #4.

Yes, but for some reason that post did not appear on my screen until well after I responded. I have seen this type of thing happen several times already (where several previous responses appear only after I make a response).
 
Sorry Guys for late reply
Thanks Mark I am not sure How you guys input those math expression

Here I have attached picture .
I have to use Karl Weierstrass method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_half-angle_substitution)
to solve this integral NO OTHER trig methods.
upload_2014-11-2_20-24-17.png
 
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PhyCalc said:
Sorry Guys for late reply
Thanks Mark I am not sure How you guys input those math expression

Here I have attached picture .
I have to use Karl Weierstrass method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_half-angle_substitution)
to solve this integral NO OTHER trig methods.
View attachment 75060

That's too bad. There's an easy elementary (if somewhat tricky) solution using the substitution I suggested before. Maybe you could show your work in setting up the Weierstrass substitution?
 

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