Integration (fromula of reduction)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of functions, specifically focusing on the manipulation of variables and constants within integration formulas. Participants are examining the implications of changing parameters in the context of integration techniques.

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  • Participants explore whether variables in integration formulas can be altered, such as changing m to m + 2 or m - 1, and question the rationale behind specific choices in the power of x. There is also discussion about the consistency required when making substitutions in equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of certain substitutions and clarifying the reasoning behind the original choices made in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of variable changes and the importance of consistency in mathematical expressions.

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There are references to specific equations and integration techniques, with participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of changing constants to variables and the effects on the overall integration process.

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Referring to the paint document. Could they have easily changed m into m + 2 or m + 1.5? Or does it have to contain the variable m and n?
 

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Also, in the original equation (Equation 1 of the paint document) why did they chose the power of x to be (m-1)? Why not just leave it as m?

Therefore we would get the equation

∫xmXpdx = Xpxm+1/(m+1) - bnp/(m+1)∫xm+n + 1Xp-1dx

and therefore if we wanted to solve for the integral of say x2√(1+x) then the value of m is 2 and the value of n is 1 and the value of p is 1/2

which saves you a step in solving for m: m-1 = 2 and m = 3, if we used the equation that they started with which was

∫xmXpdx = Xpxm+1/(m+1) - bnp/(m+1)∫xm+n + 1Xp-1dx where m is equal to m-1
 
Miike012 said:
Referring to the paint document. Could they have easily changed m into m + 2 or m + 1.5? Or does it have to contain the variable m and n?
Not sure I understand your question.
You can make any of those substitutions as long as you are consistent. They chose m-n because it gave the form they were after on the LHS.
Wrt m v. m-1, using m-1 on the LHS of (1) makes the equation as a whole slightly simpler.
 
haruspex said:
Not sure I understand your question.
You can make any of those substitutions as long as you are consistent. They chose m-n because it gave the form they were after on the LHS.
Wrt m v. m-1, using m-1 on the LHS of (1) makes the equation as a whole slightly simpler.

Say I was asked to solve the integral of x2/(x^2 + 1)1/2

then I have:

∫x2/(x^2 + 1)1/2dx = ∫d{(x2+1)}1/2/dx*x*dx
=(x2+1)1/2*x - ∫(x2+1)dx.

On the LHS can I change the power of x in the numerator from 2 to 2 - m so long as I make the correct changes on RHS?

Because that is what they essentially did
 
Miike012 said:
On the LHS can I change the power of x in the numerator from 2 to 2 - m so long as I make the correct changes on RHS?

Because that is what they essentially did

No, changing a constant to a variable is rather more drastic. You might have made use of specific attributes of the constant in arriving at the equation. All they did was a change of variable, but using the same name for the new variable.
 
Miike012 said:
Say I was asked to solve the integral of x2/(x^2 + 1)1/2

then I have:

∫x2/(x^2 + 1)1/2dx = ∫d{(x2+1)}1/2/dx*x*dx
=(x2+1)1/2*x - ∫(x2+1)dx.

On the LHS can I change the power of x in the numerator from 2 to 2 - m so long as I make the correct changes on RHS?

Because that is what they essentially did

No, it is not what they did---and you cannot do it, either. 2 is 2 and you cannot re-write it as something else.

In expanded form, what they did was, essentially, to first re-name m as m'-n, and rename p as p'+1, then remove the primes so that they can write m instead of m' and p instead of p'. They are not actually changing anything; they are simply re-naming things.
 

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