Integration Help: Leibniz's Rule Problem

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving Leibniz's rule and double integrals. The original poster seeks assistance in verifying their solution and understanding the integration process.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Leibniz's rule but is unsure of their solution's correctness. They express confusion regarding their integration steps and seek clarification on their mistakes.
  • Some participants provide insights into properties of logarithms and suggest methods for simplifying the integration problem.
  • Others question the original poster's understanding of integration techniques and offer alternative approaches to tackle the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, providing hints and alternative perspectives. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and offer guidance without reaching a definitive solution.

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The original poster mentions constraints related to their previous experience with integration and the specific requirements of the problem, such as the use of double integrals.

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Integration help please!

Hi, I was wondering if anyone can help me with the following integration problem.

I've provided part of my solution so far but its not the same as the answer given.

Question has been stated at the top of my solution and I am supposed to use Leibniz's rule to show that the I'(y) = 4y ln (2y).

I can't seem to get the answer so if anyone would be kind enough to point out my mistake, I'd be very grateful! thanks very much for your time :smile:

*Also in my solution a part of my first line of working has been cut off. There is supposed to be a limit of x = y^2 next to the ln (x + y^2) | [ if you know wot i mean :-p ]

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Remeber that ln(a)-ln(b)=ln(a/b), as well as the other properties of the natural log function.
 
Thanks i got it nows! :biggrin:

Oh I also got another question to ask. I've not done integration since last year so my mind is totally blank Anyways, I've again provided part of my solution but I'm stuck at the next integration...I don't know what method to use! :confused: It's probably really easy but as I said my mind's a blank..sigh. I tried it and my final answer was nothing near the solution given which is 48. Help very much appreciated!

* Question requires the use of double integrals

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Your first integration is wrong. int(sqrt(xy-y^2),x)=2/3*(x-y)*sqrt(xy-y^2). Try it from there and see what you get now.
 
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Your first integration is wrong. int(sqrt(xy-y^2),x)=2/3*(x-y)*sqrt(xy-y^2). Try it from there and see what you get now.

It's wrong? :eek: Ack no wonder :frown: How did you get 2/3*(x-y)*sqrt(xy-y^2)? Can you show me please? I don't understand how you got that answer...
 
You are letting the y bother you. First do this to make it more clear:
sqrt(xy-y^2)=sqrt(y(x-y))=sqrt(y)sqrt(x-y), so int(sqrt(xy-y^2),x)=int(sqrt(y)sqrt(x-y),x), now take out sqrt(y) sinc we may view it as a constant. We have sqrt(y)*int(sqrt(x-y),x). This is just a standard substitution problem. let u=x-y, then du=dx, then y^(-1/2)*int((x-y)^(-1/2),x)=y^(-1/2)*int(u^(-1/2),u)=y^(-1/2)*2/3*u^(3/2)=y^(-1/2)*2/3*(x-y)^(3/2)=2/3*(x-y)sqrt(xy-y^2), where in the last equality we made use of the fact u^(3/2)=u*u^(1/2).
 

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