Integration Problem: Solving ∫ 1/r³ dr/dt

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral ∫ 1/r³ dr/dt without having a direct equation for r in terms of t. Participants clarify that the expression can be interpreted as ∫ dt (1/r³ dr/dt), which allows for the application of the chain rule and the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC). By recognizing that the integral can be rewritten, they derive that the solution is -1/(2r²) + C. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the notation and the underlying physical context of the problem. Overall, the integration process hinges on understanding the relationship between r and t through differentiation and integration techniques.
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Homework Statement


∫ 1/r³ dr/dt


Homework Equations



∫ xa dx = x(a+1)/(a+1)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue how to solve it like this. I don't have the equation for r in terms of t, so I can't just substitute. How would I do it?
 
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kashiark said:

Homework Statement


∫ 1/r³ dr/dt


Homework Equations



∫ xa dx = x(a+1)/(a+1)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue how to solve it like this. I don't have the equation for r in terms of t, so I can't just substitute. How would I do it?

is that how the question is actually written & what are you integrating with respect to?

it doesn't really make sense how you have written it, do you mean:
\int dt (\frac{1}{r(t)^3}\frac{dr}{dt})

if so have a think about how chain rule differentiation works & how you could try & reverse it using FTC...
 
OK if it were like that, wouldn't the dt's just divide out allowing you to integrate with respect to r?
∫ dt(1/r³ dr/dt)
∫ 1/r³ dr
-1/(2r²) + C
 
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you can, but its a bit of an abuse of notation, athough it gives the same answer, a better way to think of it is to write:

\frac{d}{dt} (-\frac{1}{2r(t)^2}) = \frac{1}{r(t)^3}\frac{dr}{dt}

then the intergal becomes
\int dt (\frac{d}{dt} (-\frac{1}{2r(t)^2}))

so by FTC, the anti-derivative is
= (-\frac{1}{2r(t)^2}) +C

though the question was to you - how is it written in the actual problem?
 
It's not on a worksheet or anything; I was just messing with a particular physical situation, and I came to something in that form that I needed to integrate.
 
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