Integration problems: Intriguing Integrals

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the form \(\int x^3 \sqrt{a^2 - x^2} \, dx\), which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically integration techniques involving trigonometric substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different trigonometric substitutions, such as \(x = a \cos \theta\) and \(x = a \sin \theta\), and discuss the implications of these choices on the integral's evaluation.
  • Some participants question the intermediate steps in their solutions and how they relate to the solutions provided by their professor.
  • There is a focus on the relationship between the trigonometric identities and the integral's structure, particularly regarding the terms that arise from the substitutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some have provided partial solutions and are seeking confirmation or clarification on their reasoning and substitutions. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple methods are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note differences in the setup of the trigonometric triangle used for substitution, which may lead to different forms of the integral. There is also mention of specific constraints from homework guidelines that may affect the approach taken.

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Homework Statement


[tex]\int[/tex]x^3[tex]\sqrt{}a^2-x^2[/tex]dx

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The Attempt at a Solution


I came this far with my solution:

a^5[tex]\sqrt{}sin^3\Theta cos^2\Theta[/tex]d[tex]\Theta[/tex]
a^5[tex]\sqrt{}sin^3\Theta-sin^5\Theta[/tex]d[tex]\Theta[/tex]

The answer given to me is:

-1/15(a^2 - x^2)^3/2 (2a^2 + 3x^2) + C

It seems that they used sine theta, and not cos theta. I have currently tried to do that but am not sure how I would get rid of the extra sin[tex]\Theta[/tex].

Thanks for the help.

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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[tex]\int x^3 \sqrt{a^2-x^2}dx[/tex]

let [itex]x=acos\theta \Rightarrow dx=-asin\theta[/itex]

[tex]\int x^3 \sqrt{a^2-x^2}dx \equiv \int (acos\theta)^3\sqrt{a^2-a^2cos^2\theta} \times -asin\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int - a^4cos^3\theta \sqrt{a^2(1-cos^2\theta)} \times -asin\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]-a^5 \int cos^3\theta sin^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

recall that [itex]sin^2\theta +cos^2\theta=1[/itex]

and substitute for [itex]sin^2\theta[/itex]
 
rock.freak667 said:
[tex]\int x^3 \sqrt{a^2-x^2}dx[/tex]

let [itex]x=acos\theta \Rightarrow dx=-asin\theta[/itex]

[tex]\int x^3 \sqrt{a^2-x^2}dx \equiv \int (acos\theta)^3\sqrt{a^2-a^2cos^2\theta} \times -asin\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int - a^4cos^3\theta \sqrt{a^2(1-cos^2\theta)} \times -asin\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]-a^5 \int cos^3\theta sin^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

recall that [itex]sin^2\theta +cos^2\theta=1[/itex]

and substitute for [itex]sin^2\theta[/itex]

I would assume that using your solution I would have the right answer. The only problem is that in the solutions my Professor gave us, he has an intermediate step before the final solution such as this:

[tex]a^5 \int sin^3\theta cos^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

Also in explaining to us Trig Substitution he placed [tex]\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}[/tex] as the bottom portion of the right triangle. Thus he stated that

x = asin[tex]\Theta[/tex]
dx = acos[tex]\Theta[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}[/tex] = acos\theta
 
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BioCore said:
I would assume that using your solution I would have the right answer. The only problem is that in the solutions my Professor gave us, he has an intermediate step before the final solution such as this:

[tex]a^5 \int sin^3\theta cos^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

Also in explaining to us Trig Substitution he placed [tex]\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}[/tex] as the bottom portion of the right triangle. Thus he stated that

x = asin[tex]\Theta[/tex]
dx = acos[tex]\Theta[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}[/tex] = acos\theta

Your teacher used x=sin[itex]\theta[/itex], I used x=cos[itex]\theta[/itex].
So in his triangle, [itex]sin\theta=\frac{x}{a}[/itex] which would make the adjacent side,[itex]\sqrt{a^2-x^2}[/itex]. At the end of that integral you would get terms involving [itex]cos\theta[/itex]

In my substitution, the opposite side would be [itex]\sqrt{a^2-x^2}[/itex] and at the end of my integral I would have terms involving [itex]sin\theta[/itex]

So in theory it should all work out the same.
 
Ok following your steps:

[tex]-a^5 \int \sqrt{1 - sin^2\theta} (1 - sin^2\theta) (sin^2\theta)d\theta[/tex]

= [tex]-a^5 \int (1 - sin^2\theta)^3/2 (sin^2\theta)d\theta[/tex]

= [tex]-a^5 \int sin^3\theta - sin^6\theta d\theta[/tex]

= [tex]-a^5 [1/4sin^4\theta + 1/7sin^7\theta ][/tex] +C

Now I know that I should substitute for the sine function, but is this so far correct?
 

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