Need help deducing the region for this double integration problem

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The discussion revolves around a double integration problem involving the function \(f(x, y) = \frac{\ln(x^2 + y^2)}{\sqrt{x^2 + y^2}}\) over the region defined by the inequalities \(1 \leq x^2 + y^2 \leq e\). Participants are exploring the implications of these inequalities and their geometric interpretations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the conversion to polar coordinates and questioning the interpretation of the inequalities defining the region. There are inquiries about the shapes described by the equations \(x^2 + y^2 = 1\) and \(x^2 + y^2 = e\), as well as discussions on the implications of these shapes for the integration region.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the geometric interpretation of the inequalities and the conversion to polar coordinates. Some participants express uncertainty about their previous interpretations and are looking for guidance on the reasoning behind the inequalities.

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There is a mention of potential misinterpretations of basic algebra and the need for a clearer understanding of the inequalities involved in the problem. The discussion also touches on the use of tools like GeoGebra for visualizing inequalities.

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Not sure how to use latex formatting for the question so I have moved it to the main body ....
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\begin{array}{c}
1 \leq x^{2}+y^{2} \leq e \\
1 \leq x^{2} \leq e \quad 1 \leq y^{2} \leq e \\
1 \leq x \leq \sqrt{e} \quad 1 \leq y \leq \sqrt{e} \\
x=1 \\
x=\sqrt{e}
\end{array}

*Similarly for y which gives a rectangular region in the first quadrant.
Converting to a polar integral : Integrate ##\(f(x, y)=\) \(\left[\ln \left(x^{2}+y^{2}\right)\right] / \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}\)## over the region ##\(1 \leq x^{2}+y^{2} \leq e\)##

So,

\begin{array}{c}
1 \leq x^{2}+y^{2} \leq e \\
1 \leq x^{2} \leq e \quad 1 \leq y^{2} \leq e \\
1 \leq x \leq \sqrt{e} \quad 1 \leq y \leq \sqrt{e} \\
x=1 \\
x=\sqrt{e}
\end{array}

*Similarly for y which gives a rectangular region in the first quadrant.

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Is the above simplification the correct way to proceed?
 
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What is the shape described by ##x^2 + y^2 = 1##? And what about ##x^2 + y^2 =e##?
 
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etotheipi said:
What is the shape described by ##x^2 + y^2 = 1##? And what about ##x^2 + y^2 =e##?
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Oof! Didn't think of it that way, not sure why I made the inference that I did...
Although this must somehow be self-evident, I would appreciate it if you could walk me through the reasoning for it...
 
... I'm not sure that the equation of a circle needs further explanation.
 
PeroK said:
... I'm not sure that the equation of a circle needs further explanation.
I was referring to the interpretation of the inequality. I guess I simply misinterpreted the inequality and need to brush up on basic algebra !
 
JC2000 said:
I was referring to the interpretation of the inequality. I guess I simply misinterpreted the inequality and need to brush up on basic algebra !

Well the inequality ##1 \leq x^{2}+y^{2} \leq e## is really two inequalities: ##1 \leq x^2 + y^2## and ##x^2 + y^2 \leq e##. Perhaps more simply, you can say the radial coordinate ##r \in [1, \sqrt{e}]##.
 
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Read this (assuming you'll have more questions to post on this site).
 
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You can use inequalities in geogebra as well.
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JC2000 said:
Converting to a polar integral : Integrate ##\(f(x, y)=\) \(\left[\ln \left(x^{2}+y^{2}\right)\right] / \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}\)##
Is that supposed to be ##f(x, y)=\left[\ln \left(x^{2}+y^{2}\right)\right] / \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}## ?
 
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haruspex said:
Is that supposed to be ##f(x, y)=\left[\ln \left(x^{2}+y^{2}\right)\right] / \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}## ?
Yes
 

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