Intensity and frequency of radio waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between intensity and frequency of electromagnetic waves, particularly in the context of telecommunications. Participants explore concepts related to energy, intensity, and the behavior of photons in electromagnetic waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the energy of electromagnetic waves is proportional to frequency, as expressed by the equation E = hf, which describes the energy carried by a single photon.
  • Others clarify that the total energy of an electromagnetic wave is a large multiple of the energy of a single photon, suggesting that the intensity is related to both the number of photons and their energy.
  • One participant questions whether increasing frequency would lead to greater intensity at a certain distance, proposing that this is contingent on maintaining the same photon emission rate.
  • Another participant agrees that if the same number of photons per second is maintained, increasing frequency could increase intensity, but notes that this scenario is unlikely due to typical transmitter operations based on power (Watts).
  • It is mentioned that calculating the number of photons emitted per second for a given power output is feasible, with examples provided comparing different types of electromagnetic radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between frequency and intensity, with some agreeing on the proportionality of energy to frequency while others highlight the complexities involved in practical scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships in real-world applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the relationship between frequency and intensity is influenced by the number of photons emitted and the power of the transmitter, which introduces dependencies on operational conditions and assumptions about photon behavior.

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Hi, I am not a physicists and have been trying to understand some basic concepts about electromagnetic waves in the context of telecommunications.

Now, this is what I know so far: the energy of electromagnetic waves is proportional to it's frequency (E = h*f), and basically it's the energy carried by a single photon.

The intensity of an electromagnetic wave is the amount of power transferred per unit area, and can be described as the amount of photons * energy per photon.

IF these assumptions are correct, then the intensity could be increase in two ways: by increasing the frequency (energy per photon) or by increasing the voltage used to generate the wave (number of photons). Either of these two would yield more energy transferred and therefore higher intensity.

Is this reasoning correct?
 
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mariano54 said:
Now, this is what I know so far: the energy of electromagnetic waves is proportional to it's frequency (E = h*f), and basically it's the energy carried by a single photon.

I would say rather, that the energy of a single quantum (photon) of an electromagnetic wave is proportional to its frequency via E = hf.

Usually, an electromagnetic wave "contains" many many many [...] many many photons, so its (total) energy is some very very very [...] very very large multiple of hf.
 
So is it logical to think that by increasing the frequency, the intensity at a distance A meters would be greater than with lower frequency?
 
mariano54 said:
So is it logical to think that by increasing the frequency, the intensity at a distance A meters would be greater than with lower frequency?

Yes - if you made sure that your transmitter was radiating the same number of Photons per second. That is an unlikely scenario because transmitters tend to operate on the basis of Volts and Amps - i.e. Watts - in which case, for a given radiated power, the number of Photons would be inversely proportional to the frequency of the transmission.
 
It is not difficult to calculate the number of photons emitted per second required to emit a particular power.
If a light bulb emits 100W (100J/s) of yellow light then by using E = hf (with f = FREQUENCY of yellow light) you can calculate the number of yellow photons emitted per second.
If it is 100W of gamma radiation you will get a vastly different answer.. You can usually detect individual photons of gamma radiation (clicks on a geiger counter) but you cannot easily detect individual yellow photons.
 

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