Radio waves to gamma particle question

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The discussion centers around the nature of electromagnetic (EM) waves across the spectrum, specifically whether different frequencies emit the same particles and how these waves interact with matter. Participants explore concepts related to photons, wave-particle duality, and the characteristics of various types of EM radiation, including radio waves, visible light, X-rays, and gamma rays.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether all frequencies on the EM spectrum emit the same particles, specifically asking about the nature of radio waves and X-rays in relation to photons.
  • Another participant clarifies that EM waves do not "emit" photons but are "made up" of photons, drawing an analogy to water waves being made of water molecules.
  • A subsequent reply suggests that radio waves can be treated as if they consist of particles when interacting with matter, while behaving as waves during propagation.
  • It is proposed that all EM spectrum consists of the same photons, with variations in frequency and intensity, where frequency relates to energy and intensity to the number of photons emitted.
  • One participant notes that the quantum description of radio waves is in terms of photons, but mentions an experimental challenge in detecting radio wave photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and conceptualization of EM waves and photons, with no consensus reached on the best way to describe their relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these descriptions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms like "emit" and "made up," as well as the experimental challenges in detecting radio wave photons. These aspects are not fully explored or resolved.

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Hi all, so iv'e been looking around and can't find an answer to a question i have. I have read articles on wikipedia and understand the "basics", but i still cannot fully visualize the concept.

Question: Do all frequencies on the em spectrum emit the same particles? i know that visible "light" is photons but do radio waves emit particles? or do they just interact with other particles in space/on earth? do xrays just emit radiation, is that there equivalent to photons ? basically what are the driving forces behind the phenomena, at the visibly, detectable level,

I am aware that light is both wave and particle, and that its frequency is directly proportional to its energy but i just need to asak.

Cheers !
 
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beermeup said:
Hi all, so iv'e been looking around and can't find an answer to a question i have. I have read articles on wikipedia and understand the "basics", but i still cannot fully visualize the concept.

Question: Do all frequencies on the em spectrum emit the same particles? i know that visible "light" is photons but do radio waves emit particles? or do they just interact with other particles in space/on earth? do xrays just emit radiation, is that there equivalent to photons ? basically what are the driving forces behind the phenomena, at the visibly, detectable level,

I am aware that light is both wave and particle, and that its frequency is directly proportional to its energy but i just need to asak.

Cheers !

Let's be a bit careful of our words here. EM wave does NOT "emit" photons/particles.

EM waves are "made up" of these photons. I have to use that "made up" process due to lack of a better description. For example, water waves are made up of a lot of water molecules. One can naively think of EM waves that way, that they consist of lots and lots of photons.

ALL EM waves, be it gamma or radio waves, can be described by that picture. Whenever it is convenient to do that all the time is debatable.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Let's be a bit careful of our words here. EM wave does NOT "emit" photons/particles.

EM waves are "made up" of these photons. I have to use that "made up" process due to lack of a better description. For example, water waves are made up of a lot of water molecules. One can naively think of EM waves that way, that they consist of lots and lots of photons.

ALL EM waves, be it gamma or radio waves, can be described by that picture. Whenever it is convenient to do that all the time is debatable.

Zz.


ohh crud that's right, so radio waves are "made up" of photons as are UV and gamma and the rest?
 
beermeup said:
ohh crud that's right, so radio waves are "made up" of photons as are UV and gamma and the rest?
You could re-state that as "radio waves can be treated as if they consist of particles when they interact with matter". They behave as waves on the way from A to B - so why not say they're waves in that stage of their existence?
 
all EM spectrum consists of the same photons , the only thing that changes is the frequency and intensity.
Frequency is the measure of the wavelength and is a property of each individual photon emitted at that particular frequency , the smaller the wavelength the more energetic the photon.
Now intensity is how much of those photons at a particular frequency are emitted.

If we would make an analogy about rain we could say that the wavelength is the strength of each individual rain drop and intensity is how much of those rain drops we have.
As you probably have seen there can be a lot of slow rain and also there can be a small portion of high velocity rain drops which make a lot of noise when hitting cars and pavements.
 
Certainly radio waves' quantum description is in terms of photons as it is for light, UV, x and gamma rays. There is only the experimental problem of detecting radio waves photons, which I think it has not been solved yet.
 

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