Interaction between two material points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction between two material points with unitary mass moving along a straight line, influenced by a non-symmetric potential of mutual interaction. Participants explore how to determine the forces acting on the points at an initial time based on the potential.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the forces acting on two material points at time t=0 given their initial velocities and positions.
  • Another participant suggests that the force can be calculated using the negative gradient of the potential, simplifying the problem to one dimension by expressing one coordinate as a function of the other.
  • A third participant clarifies that since the coordinates x and y are along the same straight line, the forces can be derived from the derivatives of the potential with respect to x and y, but notes that mechanical energy is not conserved as the system evolves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the potential's non-symmetry and the conservation of mechanical energy, indicating that there is no consensus on these aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations related to the assumptions about the potential's characteristics and the implications for energy conservation, which remain unresolved.

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Hi,
there are two material points with unitary mass that can move on a stright line. They are subject to a potential of mutual interaction V which depends on x and y and it's not symmetric, where x and y are the coordinates of the two points.
I can choose in the istant 0 v1,v2,x and y. How can I find, in t=0, the force that x and y suffer because of the potential?
 
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I may have misunderstood the question, but if you have the potential field at every point, the force felt should be:

[itex]F=-∇U(x,y)[/itex].

F is the negative of the gradient of U

to simplify even further, if you say the masses move on straight lies only, this becomes a one dimensional problem, as you can express y as a function of x.
 
Yes, but x e y are coordinates along the same straight line.
I might get the two forces by the derivative of the potential respect to x and y with changed sign, but if you look at how the system evolves at regular intervals, the mechanical energy is not conserved.
 
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