Internal combustion engine transfer function (request)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for transfer functions related to internal combustion engines, specifically focusing on a four-cylinder engine. Participants are interested in the dynamics and control aspects of these systems, including the relationships between various engine parameters such as air inlet, RPM, horsepower, and exhaust gas flux.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests transfer functions from the air inlet to RPM or horsepower, considering a constant ideal air/fuel ratio, and questions whether a transfer function for the air/fuel ratio is also needed.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the transfer function from RPM to exhaust gas flux, expressing uncertainty about whether RPM or horsepower is more relevant for this calculation.
  • A suggestion is made to search for resources on the thermodynamics of internal combustion engines, with a link to a Google search provided.
  • A participant mentions finding a book titled "Engine Modeling and Control" by Rolf Isermann, which may contain relevant transfer functions.
  • Another participant describes their own challenge in obtaining a transfer function for a torque-controlling dynamometer setup and expresses confusion regarding PID control and transfer functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specific transfer functions needed or the best approach to obtain them. Multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the relationships between engine parameters remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with control theory and the specific requirements for their projects, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the necessary transfer functions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for mechanical engineers, students, or researchers interested in the dynamics and control of internal combustion engines, particularly those seeking to understand transfer functions and their applications in engine modeling.

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Hello everyone, i need to find reported transfer functions of internal combustion engines for a project, i would appreciate the model of a four cylinder engine.
If anyone knows about a book or some article which i can use, please let me know.
thank you very much.
the topic is related with dynamics and control.
 
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ismagtz said:
Hello everyone, i need to find reported transfer functions of internal combustion engines for a project, i would appreciate the model of a four cylinder engine.
If anyone knows about a book or some article which i can use, please let me know.
thank you very much.
the topic is related with dynamics and control.

Welcome to the PF.

Transfer function from what to what? Gasoline to acceleration?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Transfer function from what to what? Gasoline to acceleration?

Thank you very much.

I need a transfer function from the air inlet to RPM or Hp, considering a constant ideal air/fuel ratio (maybe i would need a transfer function for that).

Also another one from RPM to exhaust gas flux, in this one I'm not quite sure what is really convenient to calculate the exhaust gas flux, rpm or Hp?.

I need all of this to elaborate a control loop for a twin charged system.
 
ismagtz said:
Thank you very much.

I need a transfer function from the air inlet to RPM or Hp, considering a constant ideal air/fuel ratio (maybe i would need a transfer function for that).

Also another one from RPM to exhaust gas flux, in this one I'm not quite sure what is really convenient to calculate the exhaust gas flux, rpm or Hp?.

I need all of this to elaborate a control loop for a twin charged system.

I did a Google search on Thermodynamics of Internal Combustion Engines, and got a lot of good hits. Have a look through the hit list to see if you start finding what you are looking for:

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...p..0.0l2j0i22i30l3.0.0.0.6941...0.FbKAEUD0TZo

:-)
 
berkeman said:
I did a Google search on Thermodynamics of Internal Combustion Engines, and got a lot of good hits. Have a look through the hit list to see if you start finding what you are looking for:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=thermodynamics of internal combustion engines&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS301US302&q=thermodynamics of internal combustion engines&gs_l=hp..0.0l2j0i22i30l3.0.0.0.6941...0.FbKAEUD0TZo

:)
I will, thanks.

Searching around i found this book, "Engine Modeling and Control" Author: Rolf Isermann, it may have some transfer functions
here's a preview of the book in case someone is interested:

http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-642-39934-3
 
Dear All

this is my problem too, We have an engine test bench based on torque controlling dynamometer, I don't know how to have the transfer function for the shaft
I guess we need a transfer function of force to speed, we only have access to ECU to send the pedal load and that it! We have to have a specific rotation with that!
Please let me know if anyone have any suggestion how to control with PID and transfer function! I am confused ( I am a mechanical engineering and don't know anything from controlling )
 

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