Internal vector symmetry of Dirac Lagrangian

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The discussion revolves around finding the conserved Noether current of the Dirac Lagrangian under a specific transformation of the fields. The Lagrangian in question is L = \bar{\psi} ( i ∂ₘ γᵘ - m ) ψ, and the transformation involves a phase shift in the fields.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the invariance of the Lagrangian under the given transformation and the implications for the conserved current. There is a focus on the treatment of a multiplicative constant in the expression for the current and whether it affects conservation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the definition of the conserved current and the relevance of the multiplicative constant. Some guidance has been offered regarding the standard practice of defining the current, but confusion remains about the implications of the negative sign in the expression.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of defining conserved currents in the context of field transformations and Noether's theorem, with specific attention to the implications of constants in their expressions.

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Homework Statement


Find the conserved Noether current j^\mu of the Dirac Lagrangian
L = \bar{\psi} ( i \partial_\mu \gamma^\mu - m ) \psi
under the transformation:
\psi \rightarrow e^{i \alpha} \psi \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\, \bar{\psi} \rightarrow e^{-i \alpha} \bar{\psi}

Homework Equations


j^\mu = \frac{\partial L}{\partial(\partial_\mu \psi)} \Delta \psi + \frac{\partial L}{\partial(\partial_\mu \bar{\psi})} \Delta \bar{\psi} - J^\mu

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting the transformations into the langrangian shows it's invariant, so J^\mu = 0.
For infinitesimal \alpha , \Delta \psi = i \alpha \psi \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\, \Delta \bar{\psi} = -i \alpha \bar{\psi} .

The conserved current then becomes:
j^\mu = \bar{\psi} i \gamma^\mu . i \alpha \psi = - \alpha \bar{\psi} \gamma^\mu \psi

Whenever I have seen this result states however, the - \alpha seems to have been dropped. The derivative of my result will still be zero (so my derived current is conserved as it should be) but I cannot see why the result is usually quoted as
j^\mu = \bar{\psi} \gamma^\mu \psi

Has this multiplicative constant simply been dropped as it is irrelevant to the conservation, or am I missing something else?

Thanks.
 
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gu1t4r5 said:
Has this multiplicative constant simply been dropped as it is irrelevant to the conservation?

Yes. The normal thing is to define the current as the derivative of your expression with respect to ##\alpha##.
 
Thanks for the reply. I'm a little confused though sorry, do you mean j^\mu is usually defined as it's derivative w.r.t the multiplicative constant ( ie, w.r.t - \alpha here ), as the derivative w.r.t. \alpha would make make j^\mu = - \bar{\psi} \gamma^\mu \psi (ie, still out by a negative)
 
You can always multiply by a constant and still have a conserved current. I could also define a transformation which is using ##e^{2\alpha}##, but of course this does not correspond to any other physics.
 

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