Derivative of a Noether current from Dirac Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Noether current from the Dirac equation, specifically in the context of U(1) transformations applied to a given Lagrangian. Participants are exploring the implications of these transformations on the equations of motion and the resulting current.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the Noether current and its divergence, questioning the validity of using equations of motion derived from both the original and transformed Lagrangian. There is uncertainty about whether the transformation constitutes a symmetry and how that affects the current.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on which equations of motion to use. There is recognition of the complexity introduced by the transformation and its implications for the conservation of the current.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the transformation may not be a symmetry unless certain conditions (like m = 0) are met, which raises questions about the applicability of the derived equations of motion to the current's divergence.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys,
Consider the U(1) transformations
\psi'=e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}}\psi and \bar{\psi}'=\bar{\psi}e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}} of the Lagrangian \mathcal{L}=\bar{\psi}(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}-m)\psi.

I am meant to find the expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}.

Homework Equations


Gamma matrices anticommute
Noether current is \delta J^{\mu}=\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu}\psi)}\delta\psi+\delta x \mathcal{L}
not sure of anything else...

The Attempt at a Solution


So here's what I've done so far. Since its a U(1) transformation, the coordinates arent changing, so the Noether current is given by \delta J^{\mu}=\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu}\psi)}\delta\psi. I found that \delta\psi=i\alpha\gamma^{5}\psi, so that

\delta J^{\mu}=-\bar{\psi}\alpha\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi, then I drop the infinitesimal parameter to get
J^{\mu}=-\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi.

So the next step is to calculate the derivative of this. Doing so, I get

\partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}=-(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi+\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\partial_{\mu}\psi)

And at this point I am stuck...im not sure if this is right and/or if I can simplify this or do something neat with it? because I think I'm meant to be using the transformed Lagrangian
\mathcal{L}'=i\bar{\psi}\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}\psi-m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}\psi
for something but I don't really know.

Thanks guys..
 
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What equations of motion do you have?
 
I think its just the equations of motion from the untransformed Lagrangian, which are:
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}-m)\psi=0
and
i(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi})\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}=0
 
So I suggest using those. :)
 
I thought of that but I'm not sure if I can use these because I'm considering the transformed Lagrangian...and the above transformations arent a symmetry unless m = 0. So how can I use these equations of motion?
 
The fields will follow their equations of motion. Had the transformation of the fields been a symmetry of the Lagrangian, the divergence of the current would be zero. Since it is not, you will simply get a non-zero expression if you anyway chose to write down the current that would be conserved if the symmetry breaking parameter was zero.
 
I see...so I guess I am doing it wrong? I mean I've found the equations of motion from the transformed Lagrangian
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}- m e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}})\psi=0
and
i \partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}=0

and now I'm trying to use THESE inside my expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}. I guess you're saying to just use the orignals I posted in post #3?
 
I get a nonzero answer either way but I'm not sure which one is right...:(
 
Dixanadu said:
I see...so I guess I am doing it wrong? I mean I've found the equations of motion from the transformed Lagrangian
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}- m e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}})\psi=0
and
i \partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}=0

and now I'm trying to use THESE inside my expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}. I guess you're saying to just use the orignals I posted in post #3?
Yes, this willbe the divergence of the current.
 

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