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The discussion revolves around the function ln(3x+5) and seeks to determine the intervals where the function is increasing, decreasing, concave up, and concave down. Participants are analyzing the first and second derivatives to understand the behavior of the function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the first derivative f '(x) and its implications for increasing and decreasing intervals, with one participant noting a misunderstanding about the derivative being zero. The second derivative f ''(x) is also examined for concavity, with questions raised about the correct interpretation of the results and the function's domain.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the derivatives and the function's domain. There is a focus on clarifying misconceptions and ensuring that the domain is considered in the analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function ln(3x+5) is defined only for values of x that satisfy 3x + 5 > 0, which influences the analysis of the derivatives and the behavior of the function.

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Homework Statement



ln(3x+5) Determine intervals on which the function is increasing, decreasing, concave up, and concave down.

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I did f '(x) = 3/3x+5
this gives me 3x+5 = 0, and I get x = -5/3 (point where the y is zero)

Now, I did f '' (x), and got -3/(3x+5)^2
this gives me (3x+5)(3x+5), i did a number line test, with the only value -5/3, and anything below -5/3 is negative, and before -5/3 is positive

this gives me that, the function is decreasing after -5/3, and increasing after -5/3.

Now what about the concavity?
 
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jwxie said:

Homework Statement



ln(3x+5) Determine intervals on which the function is increasing, decreasing, concave up, and concave down.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So I did f '(x) = 3/3x+5
this gives me 3x+5 = 0, and I get x = -5/3 (point where the y is zero)
No, f'(x) is never zero.
jwxie said:
Now, I did f '' (x), and got -3/(3x+5)^2
this gives me (3x+5)(3x+5), i did a number line test, with the only value -5/3, and anything below -5/3 is negative, and before -5/3 is positive

this gives me that, the function is decreasing after -5/3, and increasing after -5/3.
You're not taking into account the domain of the original function, f(x) = ln(3x + 5). This function is defined only for x such that 3x + 5 > 0. The first and second derivatives have the same domain.


jwxie said:
Now what about the concavity?
 
Look at the sign of f''(x), which by the way is not equal to 3/(3x + 5)^2. Keep in mind what the domain is.
 

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